Black Caps v Pakistan
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@KiwiMurph said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls dropped again.
He's leading a charmed life this summer.
While it's great for the team, it's incredibly frustrating with Conway ready for a crack. Why should Nichols be judged by the poor performance of the opposition?
If we have excellent players who can't get a look in then that's good for NZ cricket.
Besides which as I posted earlier Rossco is having a slightly lean patch of late, Conway might get a shot there soon if he decides to retire ? ( he's 37 in March )
It's not through Nichols' ability that he can't get a look in. It's through Pakistans ineptitude.
Nonsense, Nicholls ability is the biggest factor in him scoring runs at the moment, particularly mentally where he's making the opposition pay when he gets a chance. So often batsmen throw it away when they are struggling to find form but Nicholls has shown multiple times that he has what it takes to fight for his wicket when things get tough.
I get that he's had his fair share of luck this season but that's not been the case his entire career. There are times when you feel in good nick but every half chance is being taken, other times you get a few chances when you're trying to find form and it's up to you to make the most of it. But you don't fluke your way to a 44 average with 7 tons after 37 matches at this level. All batsmen get chances from time to time, Kane has had a few this year as well.
Well said. If Nicholls was as shit as @delicatessen is implying he'd be out by now. You still have to have the goods to get the runs and his record speaks for itself ( and I definitely doubted his ability early in his career so he proved me wrong ).
This is my issue - he should be out by now. He came into this summer fighting for his place in the squad because he averaged 21 across his 12 innings last summer. Now apparently he's secured his spot because he's gotten inordinately lucky.
Yes of course you have to get the runs, but last time I checked you can't get the runs if you're back in the pavilion.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Yes of course you have to get the runs, but last time I checked you can't get the runs if you're back in the pavilion.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
The only fact of relevance is that he's made not just middling scores this summer but large scores. Batting is all about mental fortitude at Test level. Just ask Flem about why he retired when he did. -
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
Not dropped.
Bowled off a ball the umpire called a no ball which wasn't .
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Absolutely he's flattered by the let offs. But he's also had periods, and will again have periods where he has no luck and his scores will reflect that as well. You take the ups with the downs as a batsmen, it tends to even out over a longer period of time.
Adam Voges made a massive score against us after being dropped if I remember rightly.
It happens
Not dropped.
Bowled off a ball the umpire called a no ball which wasn't .
And to be fair to Nicholls, if the bowler was further back, it would be a slightly different angle, and slightly more time to play a shot.
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@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
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@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
and tough bowlers too! The stories I heard about Oram and co not wanting to bowl was saddening.
I remember one of the Black Cap fans with the whiteboard sign in the crowd after Oram went down injured
"Get Up Oram You Pussy!"
Alan Border in the commentary box thought it was a tad harsh!
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I don't think we need to do anything silly to up the ante any further. 4 an over is fine, if we continue like this to the close of play we'll have a lead well above 300 with two days to play.
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
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Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
@booboo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
It's not how, it's how many
So this! I would rather be the luckiest sportsman than the best one.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the first genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 6, 11, 3. Average 14.6.
Nicholls this summer if he'd been out the second genuine chance he'd given: 7, 47, 56, 11, 86. Average 41.4
Nicholls this summer after a million chances: 7, 174, 56, 11, 138*. Average 96.5.Methinks the lad is a little flattered.
Pakistan is not a good test side even more so when they are missing at least two players that would walk into the current side.
“Luck” like dropped catches, poor bowling decisions etc have been a part of the game since Adam put on the whites, but you’ve still got to put the runs on. Nicholls isn’t the first batsman that has a few flaws to make runs against a lesser side...
I recall Kevin Pietersen achieving super hero status in an Ashes decider being dropped numerous times.
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Absolutely, in 2 years from now (if that), nobody will care about the drops, it will just be recorded that Nicholls scored 157 and shared a record partnership with Kane. We won the last West Indies test on the back of his 174 after the rest of the top order struggled. He's not Kane or Ross, but he's a fine number 5 who has come through when we desperately needed him to.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
@delicatessen said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Damo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Sumo just called Nicholls reaching 150 an outstanding innings.
I think that is pushing it.
On one leg, scoring a 150 runs, is not outstanding?? Hard man to please!
I'm immensely proud of this team and the fight they give to win (Nichols and Wagner especially)
Tough crowd all right!!
After all the airy fairy batsmen we've had over the years that couldn't get their average above the 30s (or even 20s) we now have a bloke averaging mid-40s with 7 tons and people want him dropped because he's had a few let offs this year. Black Caps fans expectations are at an all time high. It's like being pissy at the ABs for "not winning the right way".
Averaging less than 20 over the last two seasons if simple catches are taken.
I think Nicholls is a quality batsman and we're lucky to have him. I also think Conway has a higher ceiling and isn't getting any younger.
I know we're prone to hyperbole and kneejerk reactions as members of the interwebz, but surely it's not too harsh to judge a man on his own performance, not the oppositions', over a good 15 months?
If.
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I'd love to know watling's average when he comes in with less than 150 vs more than 300. He's the polar opposite of a flat track bully. Only scores runs in the toughest conditions. Combined that with being a super reliable keeper and he's low key one of the most important players in the team.
