Australia v India
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Paine for me is a cultural touchstone with Langer in this team. The two of them landed in the job together and were a key part of turning that around. Certainly Langer loves the bloke.
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
I don't necessarily buy into a team being better than the sum of its parts, but having the right balance is important.
Hypothetically, if you put Watling in as keeper, who is the captain? What does that do to the balance and organisation of the team? Could BJ perform in the same way if he doesn't have Taylor, Boult, Williamson etc. around him?
@NTA said in Australia v India:
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
Agree, a custodian of the game like Watling would never fit into the Aus culture
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@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
@Siam said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
Honest contrition is the best strategy
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@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
@barbarian could be a politician with an apology like that...
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
I wish.
YOU wish - "Hey remember that time I was having a beer with Steve Waugh in downtown Welly?"
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And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear. Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set. At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five. -
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear. Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set. At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five.@barbarian said in Australia v India:
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget
(Just getting in before everyone else :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: )
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget
(Just getting in before everyone else :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: )
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@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
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@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
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@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
it's not uncommon.
No, it's a bloody outrage!
I'm not Indian - outrage levels are very low.
That underarm shit though, I'm still pissed about that. Comments about filthy convicts by filthy convicts are valid.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
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@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Hooroo said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Snowy said in Australia v India:
@barbarian I agree with that, but out of interest what do people think he was doing then?
Weird behaviour, but he has quite a few idiosyncrasies.
According to Paine (from memory), he likes visualising batting in order to try and see what tactics the bowlers should be using. Then he just marked centre out of habit maybe? Apparently it's not uncommon.
Don’t need to do it on the wicket though. There’s a whole SCG to “visualise”
I can understand how it makes more sense to do so on the wicket. That way you can see where the ball is going to need to land etc.
Exactly. And it's well within the rules.
It just seems to me there is a large cohort of people just waiting for Smith to put a foot wrong, so they can say 'aha! Once a cheat, always a cheat!'.
to be fair though, it doesn't look great on picture though, does it? You can understand the uproar up until the explanation.
Did the batters have to remark their guard??
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Smith and Hesson (edit: and Drumm) were talking about how weird it was on their pod yesterday, they didn't seem to think it was at all common nor within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
From about 7:45
@gt12 said in Australia v India:
Smith and Hesson (edit: and Drumm) were talking about how weird it was on their pod yesterday, they didn't seem to think it was at all common nor within the bounds of good sportsmanship.
From about 7:45
Must be part of the lynch mob....
