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Chiefs 2021

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    Ens looked good in the mitre 10 cup and in the preseason games I hope the coaches give him ample opportunities to prove himself

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      ENS (it's not that hard) was performing well in Mitre10. Had a tendency to hold on a few steps too long but sometimes that comes down to team situation and being a little desperate to make things happen. He was on the wing for CM as well so it appears that coaches don't really want to hand him a chance at 15 yet.

      For the Chiefs I like the idea of Stevenson at 15 but am assuming that spot is DMacs. Could see DMac covering 10 though or, as pre season games suggest, swapping during the game.

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        I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

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          I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

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          @arhs said in Chiefs 2021:

          I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

          I see things shaping towards a back three of Stevenson, Dmac and ENS with ALB and Wainui in the centres.
          DMac and Trask/Gatland to interchange during the game (all can play both 10 and 15). Wainui covers wing so bench consists of halfback, 10, centre.
          That makes for an attacking backline with solid D in the centre.

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            I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

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            @arhs said in Chiefs 2021:

            I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

            Is Finau the young flanker/lock who played M10 cup a few years ago? He looked awesome then so it would be good to see what he can do.

            I’m not convinced at all by ENS, but hopefully he’ll get enough chances for us to know whether he is a future AB, or even Super level. I know its a bit hard but on his body of work until now, he’s been a huge disappointment for some one so hyped.

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              @arhs said in Chiefs 2021:

              I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

              Is Finau the young flanker/lock who played M10 cup a few years ago? He looked awesome then so it would be good to see what he can do.

              I’m not convinced at all by ENS, but hopefully he’ll get enough chances for us to know whether he is a future AB, or even Super level. I know its a bit hard but on his body of work until now, he’s been a huge disappointment for some one so hyped.

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              @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

              I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

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                @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

                I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

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                @stargazer said in Chiefs 2021:

                @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

                I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

                Yep, he’s got time, but it really needs to happen in the next couple of years. I’m not sure that sevens has helped either.

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                  Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

                  DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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                    Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

                    DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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                    @kiwimurph Reihana as well.

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                      Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

                      DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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                      @kiwimurph said in Chiefs 2021:

                      Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

                      DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

                      ENS has never shown that he plays best at 15. It may be his “natural “ position based on skill set and he would probably like to have a crack there but as far as the Chiefs go he is hardly beating down the door.

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                        Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                        Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                          Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                          Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                          @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                          Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                          Both should be being subbed later in the game.

                          Probably doesn't look good for them or the opposition either.

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                            Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                            Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                            @crucial hmmm Weber yes, Cane not so much. Cane should be playing as much as he can IMO. Weber on the other hand, it's most likely his final year in the Chiefs so it would be nice to see TTT and Roe take the reigns a bit more.

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                              With a bye in week one of Super Rugby Aotearoa, the Chiefs will get an opportunity to rest and recover from a busy pre-season.
                              
                              On the much-talked about injury front, a few niggles were reported this week, with Damian McKenzie (foot) and Pita Gus Sowakula sitting out training.
                              

                              https://www.rugbypass.com/news/why-sam-cane-is-staying-on-as-a-chiefs-captain-despite-arduous-all-blacks-duties/

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                                Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                                Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                                @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                                Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.

                                Yeah, this doesn't seem like a practical choice to me.

                                I can understand that Weber could be captain if Cane is rested but Weber will be subbed during a game. What happens then if neither are on the field? I'm trying to remember who the Highlanders use when both Smith and Dixon aren't on the field at the end of games.

                                I finally had a chance to watch the game of 3 halves. Harris should be relegated to the 3rd choice hooker with that throwing performance.

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                                  @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                                  Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.

                                  Yeah, this doesn't seem like a practical choice to me.

                                  I can understand that Weber could be captain if Cane is rested but Weber will be subbed during a game. What happens then if neither are on the field? I'm trying to remember who the Highlanders use when both Smith and Dixon aren't on the field at the end of games.

                                  I finally had a chance to watch the game of 3 halves. Harris should be relegated to the 3rd choice hooker with that throwing performance.

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                                  @bovidae Yeah Harris was pretty bad eh. Slater looked good last year, hopefully he can challenge.

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                                    Any idea of this week's 23? Slater to start at hooker?

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                                      Any idea of this week's 23? Slater to start at hooker?

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                                      @tim Harris is BoP so doubt it.

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                                        https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/liam-messam-during-a-chiefs-super-rugby-aotearoa-media-news-photo/1303580646

                                        Messam training with the Chiefs?

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                                          Stan van den Hoven must now be the official injury replacement for McWhannell.

                                          https://www.chiefs.co.nz/player/stan-van-den-hoven

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