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Chiefs 2021

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    I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

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    @arhs said in Chiefs 2021:

    I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

    Is Finau the young flanker/lock who played M10 cup a few years ago? He looked awesome then so it would be good to see what he can do.

    I’m not convinced at all by ENS, but hopefully he’ll get enough chances for us to know whether he is a future AB, or even Super level. I know its a bit hard but on his body of work until now, he’s been a huge disappointment for some one so hyped.

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      @arhs said in Chiefs 2021:

      I want to see ENS as a strike weapon on the wing exclusively, with Wainui or Stevenson on the other side. It will be interesting to see who is preferred as backup 10 between Trask and McKenzie, behind Gatland presumably. I thought Finau looked good and worth a place in the squad and 23. And Iosefa-Scott looked keen and willing. But, the early errors in the opposition 22, and the inability to defend rolling mauls, and to secure lineouts do not seem to have been addressed successfully by the coaches from GOTH evidence. Sure hope these things can be sorted or it will be along hard season.

      Is Finau the young flanker/lock who played M10 cup a few years ago? He looked awesome then so it would be good to see what he can do.

      I’m not convinced at all by ENS, but hopefully he’ll get enough chances for us to know whether he is a future AB, or even Super level. I know its a bit hard but on his body of work until now, he’s been a huge disappointment for some one so hyped.

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      @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

      I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

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        @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

        I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

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        @stargazer said in Chiefs 2021:

        @gt12 Samipeni Finau played in the preseason game against the Blues, last Saturday (at 6). He plays for Waikato in the Mitre 10 Cup.

        I agree about ENS, but maybe he just needs more time. He is only 21 years old.

        Yep, he’s got time, but it really needs to happen in the next couple of years. I’m not sure that sevens has helped either.

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          Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

          DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

            DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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            @kiwimurph Reihana as well.

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

              DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

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              @kiwimurph said in Chiefs 2021:

              Chiefs problem looks to be that they have so many players that play best at 15.

              DMac, Trask, ENS, arguably Stevenson...

              ENS has never shown that he plays best at 15. It may be his “natural “ position based on skill set and he would probably like to have a crack there but as far as the Chiefs go he is hardly beating down the door.

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                Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                  Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                  Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                  @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                  Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                  Both should be being subbed later in the game.

                  Probably doesn't look good for them or the opposition either.

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                  • CrucialC Crucial

                    Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                    Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                    @crucial hmmm Weber yes, Cane not so much. Cane should be playing as much as he can IMO. Weber on the other hand, it's most likely his final year in the Chiefs so it would be nice to see TTT and Roe take the reigns a bit more.

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                      With a bye in week one of Super Rugby Aotearoa, the Chiefs will get an opportunity to rest and recover from a busy pre-season.
                      
                      On the much-talked about injury front, a few niggles were reported this week, with Damian McKenzie (foot) and Pita Gus Sowakula sitting out training.
                      

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/why-sam-cane-is-staying-on-as-a-chiefs-captain-despite-arduous-all-blacks-duties/

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.
                        Both should be being subbed later in the game.

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                        @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                        Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.

                        Yeah, this doesn't seem like a practical choice to me.

                        I can understand that Weber could be captain if Cane is rested but Weber will be subbed during a game. What happens then if neither are on the field? I'm trying to remember who the Highlanders use when both Smith and Dixon aren't on the field at the end of games.

                        I finally had a chance to watch the game of 3 halves. Harris should be relegated to the 3rd choice hooker with that throwing performance.

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                          @crucial said in Chiefs 2021:

                          Weber and Cane are coming-captains which doesn’t look good for contenders for their positions.

                          Yeah, this doesn't seem like a practical choice to me.

                          I can understand that Weber could be captain if Cane is rested but Weber will be subbed during a game. What happens then if neither are on the field? I'm trying to remember who the Highlanders use when both Smith and Dixon aren't on the field at the end of games.

                          I finally had a chance to watch the game of 3 halves. Harris should be relegated to the 3rd choice hooker with that throwing performance.

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                          @bovidae Yeah Harris was pretty bad eh. Slater looked good last year, hopefully he can challenge.

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                            Any idea of this week's 23? Slater to start at hooker?

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                              Any idea of this week's 23? Slater to start at hooker?

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                              @tim Harris is BoP so doubt it.

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                                https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/liam-messam-during-a-chiefs-super-rugby-aotearoa-media-news-photo/1303580646

                                Messam training with the Chiefs?

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                                  Stan van den Hoven must now be the official injury replacement for McWhannell.

                                  https://www.chiefs.co.nz/player/stan-van-den-hoven

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                                    Stan van den Hoven must now be the official injury replacement for McWhannell.

                                    https://www.chiefs.co.nz/player/stan-van-den-hoven

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                                    @bovidae Oh nice, was waiting for all the new player profiles to go up. Is he the first Dutch born player in Super that we know of?

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                                      @bovidae Oh nice, was waiting for all the new player profiles to go up. Is he the first Dutch born player in Super that we know of?

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                                      @yeetyaah I thinks so. Kees Meeuws and Carl Hoeft are both NZ-born.

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                                        @yeetyaah I thinks so. Kees Meeuws and Carl Hoeft are both NZ-born.

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                                        @stargazer Likewise Josh Kronfeld

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                                          @stargazer Likewise Josh Kronfeld

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                                          @higgins Isn't he of German descent, not Dutch? He has a German name.

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