All Blacks 2021

[Crucial]

@cgrant I would like that post for content but can’t because you listed the XV back to front with the bench correctly

Some good ideas there. Not sure about the all blue loose trio though. Need to see how some of these guys play nicely with others

[mofitzy_]

@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .

[Bovidae]

What's the Italian scrum like now? That used to be their only real strength.

Let's see how Lomax goes today but he has plateaued in my eyes.

[Canes4life]

@bovidae really? He had the better of both Tu’unukuafe and Hodgman last week. It’s not surprising that he somehow always scrums better when he has IWL behind him though.

[Machpants]

@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:

@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .

Also even if they play awesome, what did it prove? An NZ second XV can beat Italy, No shit, the crusaders, blues (reds and brumbies) would beat Italy ATM. The only way to really see if players are test level is being part of a real test, and that's why you never see too many of them at once

[mofitzy_]

@machpants
I would rather them see them cycle through a few newbies rather than chuck them in all at once. Test some combinations with established players as the other half of the combination.

A real shame Fakatava is injured. Also wish BB and Retallick were back for the mid year tests, because they will most likely be in a RWC squad regardless.

[Mackerzzzz]

What I think the squad should be:

Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax

Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua

Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i

Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson

Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, Finlay Christie

Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt

Centre: Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Ngani Laumape

Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku

Not available: Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara

[MN5]

@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:

@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .

A team that is perennial wooden spooners in the six nations playing away from home ?

Yeah nah

[Yeetyaah]

@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.

[taniwharugby]

@yeetyaah yea Dmac comes in before Hunt and Ioane at 10

[family man]

I think David havili has to start at 12,he offers something different,another playmaker to create things

[Mackerzzzz]

@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.

O yeah I did to - DMac for Bridge then

[Mackerzzzz]

I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane

I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.

Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs

[Mackerzzzz]

@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.

If you were going to get rid of some props who would you bring in to replace?

[Mackerzzzz]

@family-man said in All Blacks 2021:

I think David havili has to start at 12,he offers something different,another playmaker to create things

I actually agree but I can't imagine it happening

[Yeetyaah]

@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.

[Mackerzzzz]

@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.

Ok cheifo

I kinda agree about Ross but over karl not Hogman.
And Laulala has been way better Ta'avao

I would get rid of Ofa not Nepo. Ofa needs to fix his discipline

[Yeetyaah]

@mackerzzzz I mean yeah they're both Chiefs players but tell me I'm wrong? They're both doing great and dominated the Blues scrum a couple of weeks ago.

[Machpants]

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane

I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.

Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs

Better than mo'unga? No way, different League. And on fire beaudy is a step up again, but he never gets the minutes there

[Mackerzzzz]

Line up vs Italy: (If they first up)

1. Joe Moody

2. Codie Taylor

3. Nepo Laulala

4. Scott Barrett

5. Sam Whitelock (c)

6. Shannon Frizzell

7. Dalton Papalii

8. Ardie Savea

9. Aaron Smith (mabie captan?)

10. Richie Mo'unga

11. Caleb Clarke

12. Jack Goodhue

13. Anton Lenert-Brown

14. Will Jordan

15. Jordie Barrett

16. Alex Hogman

17. Afaso Aumua

18. Tyrell Lomax

19. Patrick Tuipulotu

20. Akira Ioane

21. Brad Webber

22. Damian McKenzie

23. Leicester Fainga'anuku

If Italy are first up the All Blacks will play close to their strongest side.