All Blacks 2021
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Team I'd like to see vs Italy :
J. Barrett
Jordan
P. Umaga-Jensen
Tupaea
Clarke
Mo'unga
Smith
A. Ioane
Papali'i
Robinson
Parkinson
Vai'i
Lomax
Taylor
MoodySub :
Aumua
Ross
Laulala
Whitelock
A. Savea
Weber
R. Ioane
McKenzie / HaviliThe Italians are not a menace so it's a nice opportunity to try a few new players, particularly in midfield where no perfect combination has been found so far, at lock where PPP and Vai'i could show what they are able to do, and at THP where Lomax could gain more confidence.
Aidan Ross is the form LHP and could start from the bench.
I am hesitating between Havili and Tupaea at second five. The latter is beginning to develop strongly while Havili is a talented all round player. -
What's the Italian scrum like now? That used to be their only real strength.
Let's see how Lomax goes today but he has plateaued in my eyes.
@bovidae really? He had the better of both Tu’unukuafe and Hodgman last week. It’s not surprising that he somehow always scrums better when he has IWL behind him though.
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@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .Also even if they play awesome, what did it prove? An NZ second XV can beat Italy, No shit, the crusaders, blues (reds and brumbies) would beat Italy ATM. The only way to really see if players are test level is being part of a real test, and that's why you never see too many of them at once
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .Also even if they play awesome, what did it prove? An NZ second XV can beat Italy, No shit, the crusaders, blues (reds and brumbies) would beat Italy ATM. The only way to really see if players are test level is being part of a real test, and that's why you never see too many of them at once
@machpants
I would rather them see them cycle through a few newbies rather than chuck them in all at once. Test some combinations with established players as the other half of the combination.A real shame Fakatava is injured. Also wish BB and Retallick were back for the mid year tests, because they will most likely be in a RWC squad regardless.
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What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax
Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, Finlay Christie
Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt
Centre: Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Ngani Laumape
Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku
Not available: Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara
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@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@cgrant
Will never happen. I completely understand your logic but the big risk is that team doesn't click and loses to Italy .A team that is perennial wooden spooners in the six nations playing away from home ?
Yeah nah
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What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax
Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber, Finlay Christie
Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga, Josh Ioane, Mitch Hunt
Centre: Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Ngani Laumape
Wing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke, Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku
Not available: Beauden Barrett, TJ Perenara
@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
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@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
@yeetyaah yea Dmac comes in before Hunt and Ioane at 10
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I think David havili has to start at 12,he offers something different,another playmaker to create things
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@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
O yeah I did to - DMac for Bridge then
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I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane
I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.
Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs
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@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
If you were going to get rid of some props who would you bring in to replace?
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I think David havili has to start at 12,he offers something different,another playmaker to create things
@family-man said in All Blacks 2021:
I think David havili has to start at 12,he offers something different,another playmaker to create things
I actually agree but I can't imagine it happening
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz I don't think all 4 of the blues props make it. Nor Laumape and Bridge. As for Hunt, he had the game of his life against the Crusaders but last night he was terrible. You've also forgotten McKenzie who's been doing quite well this season.
If you were going to get rid of some props who would you bring in to replace?
@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.
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@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.
Ok cheifo
I kinda agree about Ross but over karl not Hogman.
And Laulala has been way better Ta'avaoI would get rid of Ofa not Nepo. Ofa needs to fix his discipline
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz Aidan Ross over Hodgman at this stage. I think it's close between Laulala and Ta'avao.
Ok cheifo
I kinda agree about Ross but over karl not Hogman.
And Laulala has been way better Ta'avaoI would get rid of Ofa not Nepo. Ofa needs to fix his discipline
@mackerzzzz I mean yeah they're both Chiefs players but tell me I'm wrong? They're both doing great and dominated the Blues scrum a couple of weeks ago.
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I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane
I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.
Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane
I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.
Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs
Better than mo'unga? No way, different League. And on fire beaudy is a step up again, but he never gets the minutes there
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Line up vs Italy: (If they first up)
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Joe Moody
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Codie Taylor
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Nepo Laulala
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Scott Barrett
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Sam Whitelock (c)
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Shannon Frizzell
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Dalton Papalii
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Ardie Savea
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Aaron Smith (mabie captan?)
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Richie Mo'unga
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Caleb Clarke
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Jack Goodhue
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Anton Lenert-Brown
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Will Jordan
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Jordie Barrett
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Alex Hogman
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Afaso Aumua
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Tyrell Lomax
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Patrick Tuipulotu
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Akira Ioane
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Brad Webber
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Damian McKenzie
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Leicester Fainga'anuku
If Italy are first up the All Blacks will play close to their strongest side.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane
I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.
Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs
Better than mo'unga? No way, different League. And on fire beaudy is a step up again, but he never gets the minutes there
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I think Hunt needs a look in he's actually marshaled the highlanders very well this season, with the danger of Connor G-Bachop and Josh Ioane
I personally think he is the form flyhalf this season.
Other than his kicking from the T he wasn't that bad vs the Chiefs
Better than mo'unga? No way, different League. And on fire beaudy is a step up again, but he never gets the minutes there
I say no to beaudy and Tj becuase they will both be still in japan
mo'unga has had flashes of brilliance, I just dont think he leads a team like mitch can. Although mitch is helped by some very good halfbacks down there
