All Blacks 2021
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Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
6: 2
6/8: 1
7: 1
7/8: 1
8: 1So 3 6s, 2 7s and 3 eights.
Think I would prefer another 7 option instead of Robinson. Could be time for Boshier to come back and pick up from pre-injury form,
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
5/6: 1
6: 1
6/8: 1
7: 1
7/8: 1
8: 1Looks about right to me. If they were going to pull the chain on someone, it might actually be Hoskins, as Akira is a 6/8. Alternatively Frizell is really only a 6, so if he isn’t first choice he could be in doubt (with his form, I can’t see it).
I guess it depends on who they want at 8, because if it is Ardie then another 7 could come into play.
I guess they will put Ardie at 7 (Paps on the bench with Robinson as lock/6), and given that Ardie often goes at 8 off the scrum, they may put Akira at 8 as that is one of his weaknesses, with most likely Frizell holding 6 (due to form).
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,
Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber,
Finlay Christie??Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga,
Josh Ioane, Mitch HuntOtere BlackCentre:
Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane,Ngani Laumape, Havili/Tupaea/FaianeWing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke,
Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George BridgeHave adjusted for injuries and opinion.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,
Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber,
Finlay Christie??Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga,
Josh Ioane, Mitch HuntOtere BlackCentre:
Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane,Ngani Laumape, Havili/Tupaea/FaianeWing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke,
Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George BridgeHave adjusted for injuries and opinion.
I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,
Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber,
Finlay Christie??Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga,
Josh Ioane, Mitch HuntOtere BlackCentre:
Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane,Ngani Laumape, Havili/Tupaea/FaianeWing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke,
Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George BridgeHave adjusted for injuries and opinion.
I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,
Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber,
Finlay Christie??Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga,
Josh Ioane, Mitch HuntOtere BlackCentre:
Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane,Ngani Laumape, Havili/Tupaea/FaianeWing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke,
Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George BridgeHave adjusted for injuries and opinion.
I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black
We are talking a stop gap selection. II actually agree with you and think that Ioane has far more potential.Does he have the personal maturity yet though?
Your comment made me think though. Given the financial situation and the way contracts work with the RPA if a player is named in the first AB squad of the year I think they are then on the AB payroll for the next 12 months.
Will that effect squad selection? Do the bean counters have a say? Do the selectors have to make a good case or just have some backups invited to camp to train without 'proper' selection.?
I can see them possibly taking only RM as a 10 (with DMac as reserve) and only two 9s. 6 outside backs also seems a luxury when 4 plus DMac would suffice (especially so if Havili is in as midfield cover) -
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
What I think the squad should be:
Props: Nepo Laulala, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Ofa Tu'ungafasi,
Joe Moody, Alex Hogman, Tyrell Lomax, ??Hooker: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Afaso Aumua
Lock: Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock(c), Patrick Tuipulotu, Taupo Vaa'i
Flanker: Ardie Savea, Shannon Frizzell, Hoskins Sotutu, Akria Ioane, Dalton Papalii, Tom Robinson
Scrum Half: Aaron Smith, Brad Webber,
Finlay Christie??Fly Half: Richie Mo'unga,
Josh Ioane, Mitch HuntOtere BlackCentre:
Jack Goodhue, Anton Lenert-Brown, Rieko Ioane,Ngani Laumape, Havili/Tupaea/FaianeWing / Fullbacks: Caleb Clarke,
Sevu Reece, Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Damian McKenzie, Leicester Fainga'anuku, George BridgeHave adjusted for injuries and opinion.
I like otere but I'm not sure he offers enough to be an all black
We are talking a stop gap selection. II actually agree with you and think that Ioane has far more potential.Does he have the personal maturity yet though?
Your comment made me think though. Given the financial situation and the way contracts work with the RPA if a player is named in the first AB squad of the year I think they are then on the AB payroll for the next 12 months.
Will that effect squad selection? Do the bean counters have a say? Do the selectors have to make a good case or just have some backups invited to camp to train without 'proper' selection.?
I can see them possibly taking only RM as a 10 (with DMac as reserve) and only two 9s. 6 outside backs also seems a luxury when 4 plus DMac would suffice (especially so if Havili is in as midfield cover) -
@crucial i cant decided if i think Ioane would respond well or poorly if selected. would he realise what he could miss out on or would he think he's bullet proof
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial i cant decided if i think Ioane would respond well or poorly if selected. would he realise what he could miss out on or would he think he's bullet proof
From what I’ve heard he’d definitely organise some decent aftermatch functions
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Yes.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Yes. Watched him play over the weekend for his Japanese team, he is still easily one of the top two locks in NZ. Unlike many, I don't feel that players playing in overseas comps will struggle to adapt to the pace of test rugby. The Boks have proven that, you don't need to be playing SR to be ready for test rugby.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu? -
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Isn't Perenara back for ABs like Beaudie?
Not vs italy mid season
I think he is for rugby championship tho
In fact I'm not sure either will be available vs italy
The Japanese Top League final is on May 23, while the AB tests are scheduled to be in July. I read that BBBR will be back in NZ by the end of May, so surely so will BB and TJP.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
If he isn't I will lead the march on NZRU HQ to demand Foster's resignation.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?@mackerzzzz thats how i would lean, hasn;t made himself invaluable for the AB's and i like having a young guy coming through like Vaa'i
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Paddy or Vaa'i would be most at risk. Whitelock starts with BBBR, and Barrett would be their no.3 lock. It depends on the squad size as they could carry 5 locks.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Paddy or Vaa'i would be most at risk. Whitelock starts with BBBR, and Barrett would be their no.3 lock. It depends on the squad size as they could carry 5 locks.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends on the squad size as they could carry 5 locks.
That was my thought as well. I hope they move away from the lock / 6 compromise. Lock is a specialised position, but RWC, and limited numbers in squads, to accommodate smaller nations had us forced into looking for them (and "utility" backs). Every time that we do it we seem to lose something, somewhere, across the park. Whether it be mobility, strength, turnovers, dominant tackles. Just something, when guys have to try and cover two roles.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Hasn't he lost 10 kgs over there? Surely he'd have to get heavier to be as effective as he was?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends on the squad size as they could carry 5 locks.
That was my thought as well. I hope they move away from the lock / 6 compromise. Lock is a specialised position, but RWC, and limited numbers in squads, to accommodate smaller nations had us forced into looking for them (and "utility" backs). Every time that we do it we seem to lose something, somewhere, across the park. Whether it be mobility, strength, turnovers, dominant tackles. Just something, when guys have to try and cover two roles.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Hasn't he lost 10 kgs over there? Surely he'd have to get heavier to be as effective as he was?
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Hasn't he lost 10 kgs over there? Surely he'd have to get heavier to be as effective as he was?
i thought i saw that too, will be interesting what difference that will make to his game
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@snowy I dont think they will ever totally do away with players that can cover lock/loosie given the attritional nature of the position.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@snowy I dont think they will ever totally do away with players that can cover lock/loosie given the attritional nature of the position.
Yeah. I meant in a whole squad rather than a match day 23. If you get forced into an injury replacement from the bench it's a bit tough, but I think that we should pick locks as locks, sixes as sixes in the bigger group (loosies can be a bit more moveable, still not ideal, but doable).
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@snowy I dont think they will ever totally do away with players that can cover lock/loosie given the attritional nature of the position.
Yeah. I meant in a whole squad rather than a match day 23. If you get forced into an injury replacement from the bench it's a bit tough, but I think that we should pick locks as locks, sixes as sixes in the bigger group (loosies can be a bit more moveable, still not ideal, but doable).
