All Blacks 2021
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble dont think it is 'aiming' to have someone like that.
It is having players who are versatile enough to cover more than 1 spot, which probably only becomes more important in the RWC than TRC anyway.
Same as having a TH who can cover LH or vice versa.
You just dont want to be the player that gets tagged with that mr versitility label, otherwise can hinder your attempts at nailing a starting spot.
RWC Squad sizes have increased. Should mean that we can avoid lock/6s that aren't top level at either.
(watch out Scott Barrett)
Why should he watch out? He's not a 6's asshole.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble dont think it is 'aiming' to have someone like that.
It is having players who are versatile enough to cover more than 1 spot, which probably only becomes more important in the RWC than TRC anyway.
Same as having a TH who can cover LH or vice versa.
You just dont want to be the player that gets tagged with that mr versitility label, otherwise can hinder your attempts at nailing a starting spot.
RWC Squad sizes have increased. Should mean that we can avoid lock/6s that aren't top level at either.
(watch out Scott Barrett)
Why should he watch out? He's not a 6's asshole.
Exactly.
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The increase in RWC squad from 31 to 33 players probably means you can now select another specialist forward and back over those who may be considered "utility players".
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
he's drifted in and out of games that I've seen, and not been as physical as previously. Still not dropping him, but he hasn't been as good as previous years
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
Whitelock is a lock at lock, even if he isn't locked in as Captain.
I have questioned his form recently and watched closely versing the 'canes- he gets through a power of work. Think that they put up a stat about his tackle count for the whole comp. He's still got it (mutter, mutter about over worked).
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@bovidae Still enough you reckon? I don't.
Understand why they have it but it doesn't get our best players on the field in the correct positions, nor many other countries.
@snowy said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae Still enough you reckon? I don't.
33 allows you to select 2 full teams plus 3 others, likely a hooker, halfback and another player. Before you might compromise in some positions (e.g., outside backs) to have your third hooker and halfback in the squad. Remember there was a good chance DMac would have filled that 3rd halfback position in Japan before his injury.
Understand why they have it but it doesn't get our best players on the field in the correct positions, nor many other countries.
Coaches will always want a larger squad but the increase in squad size favours the stronger teams who have more depth. I think coaches try to be too cute with their reserves. For example, having 2 loose forwards on the bench or the 6:2 split, which seems to be popular now.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
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@snowy said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae Still enough you reckon? I don't.
33 allows you to select 2 full teams plus 3 others, likely a hooker, halfback and another player. Before you might compromise in some positions (e.g., outside backs) to have your third hooker and halfback in the squad. Remember there was a good chance DMac would have filled that 3rd halfback position in Japan before his injury.
Understand why they have it but it doesn't get our best players on the field in the correct positions, nor many other countries.
Coaches will always want a larger squad but the increase in squad size favours the stronger teams who have more depth. I think coaches try to be too cute with their reserves. For example, having 2 loose forwards on the bench or the 6:2 split, which seems to be popular now.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
33 allows you to select 2 full teams plus 3 others, likely a hooker, halfback and another player.
Two full teams of 15, not 23 as are needed for a modern game of rugby, according to the coaches (as you said).
I mentioned the smaller teams and the cost, but it doesn't change the point of seeing the best players in their best positions.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
so... give Sam a rest and play Bryn Evans? Similar age. He's going O.K.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
so... give Sam a rest and play Bryn Evans? Similar age. He's going O.K.
@snowy said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
so... give Sam a rest and play Bryn Evans? Similar age. He's going O.K.
No bring in a younger player to blood for the future. Like a ppp
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@snowy said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
so... give Sam a rest and play Bryn Evans? Similar age. He's going O.K.
No bring in a younger player to blood for the future. Like a ppp
@mackerzzzz I was joking due to the age factor, and Bryn has been going well.
Like to see some young blood too.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
he's drifted in and out of games that I've seen, and not been as physical as previously. Still not dropping him, but he hasn't been as good as previous years
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
he's drifted in and out of games that I've seen, and not been as physical as previously. Still not dropping him, but he hasn't been as good as previous years
He has also pulled off some big plays at times being a line out steal, big tackle or a turn over.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
32 peak lock age not 35
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
32 peak lock age not 35
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
32 peak lock age not 35
Ok he's younger than I thought.
But even so we do need to bring some young players through. Our locks (with retalick included) are 32, 29, 28 and 27? They will all be borderline at the end of next world cup.
I just think it would be worth them bringing in some young players vs italy.
Like: tupou vaii and PPP etc
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
32 peak lock age not 35
Ok he's younger than I thought.
But even so we do need to bring some young players through. Our locks (with retalick included) are 32, 29, 28 and 27? They will all be borderline at the end of next world cup.
I just think it would be worth them bringing in some young players vs italy.
Like: tupou vaii and PPP etc
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
Do people reckon retalick will walk straight into the all blacks squad?
Straight back into the starting XV. We missed his aggression and hard edge last year.
Who would you kick from the squad then?
I thought whitelock but he is likely to captan so...
Tuipulotu?Whatttt Whitelock has been the best Lock in SR, no way is he being dropped.Even he isn't Captain.
I agree but he's like 35 and we are playing italy so....
32 peak lock age not 35
Ok he's younger than I thought.
But even so we do need to bring some young players through. Our locks (with retalick included) are 32, 29, 28 and 27? They will all be borderline at the end of next world cup.
I just think it would be worth them bringing in some young players vs italy.
Like: tupou vaii and PPP etc
Can’t see it with Foster under pressure if he has another average year, Then maybe Tuipulotu under the most threat of missing out.
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I don't know if you guys watched the Breakdown tonight, but they discussed TJ Perenara. They said that he's not eligible for the ABs this year, yet, because - unlike BB and Retallick - he doesn't have a contract with NZR. He could become eligible, if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year, but without that, he doesn't qualify. He probably needs to play in NZ first (for Wellington?), too.
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I don't know if you guys watched the Breakdown tonight, but they discussed TJ Perenara. They said that he's not eligible for the ABs this year, yet, because - unlike BB and Retallick - he doesn't have a contract with NZR. He could become eligible, if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year, but without that, he doesn't qualify. He probably needs to play in NZ first (for Wellington?), too.
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
... if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year
First, thanks for taking one for the team by watching. I've tried, but there is so little rugby analysis talked aobut it's not funny. So cheers.
Secondly, Blues could use a good halfback ... pair him back up with Otere
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I don't know if you guys watched the Breakdown tonight, but they discussed TJ Perenara. They said that he's not eligible for the ABs this year, yet, because - unlike BB and Retallick - he doesn't have a contract with NZR. He could become eligible, if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year, but without that, he doesn't qualify. He probably needs to play in NZ first (for Wellington?), too.
