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Ultimately it comes down to the competitors. The activists are the poison that kills these debates.
I'm obviously not pro this at all, and I have spent time wondering what on earth Hubbard is thinking. I think this is where the issue actually comes down to the finer points. In my view, Hubbard doesn't think what she's doing is wrong, in that she's never thought of herself as a man. Has always though of herself as a woman, and the reason she wasn't doing well prior to transition is that she was a woman competing in a man's sport. Whereby what Jenner has said, is coming from somebody who was a man, thought like a man, and has undergone a real physical and mental transition to be a woman. Thus, when she states her views, she's looking at like somebody who 100% transitioned.
So I kind of understand the viewpoint. It doesn't mean it should be pandered to all though. A person's desire to compete at the top level is always whats makes the distinction between the top and the very best. But a person's ability to get to the top is not always something that can be earned. I could never ever play top level sport, as my hand-eye is utter shit. Thats just something I had to accept as a teenager and move on. The same must apply to Hubbard.
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Interesting post.
I look at it from a slightly different perspective which is that many/most of the best sportspeople are total selfish piston wristed gibbons, so expecting Hubbard to be somehow different and consider their impact beyond wanting to compete and win seems slightly strange to me.
I have a huge problem with the policy and believe it should be changed, and I think it is a massive blow to female sport, but because I see people as primarily bad people who can be good (rather than the opposite), its the policy that is the problem. I don’t have anything specific to say about Lauren and her intentions.
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Transgender women allowed to play women's rugby in France
The French rugby federation (FFR) will allow transgender women to play women's rugby as of next season, going against World Rugby guidelines.
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For who can read French, here is the FFR's media release: https://www.ffr.fr/actualites/federation/la-ffr-sengage-pour-linclusion-des-trans-identitaires-dans-le-rugby
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Here’s what they can look forward too
Trans footy pioneer Hannah Mouncey plans legal action against AFL so she can play local footy
Trans footy pioneer plans legal action against AFL so she can play local footy
Feel sorry for the biological woman that will have to play men.
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@kirwan said in Trans in sport:
Here’s what they can look forward too
Trans footy pioneer Hannah Mouncey plans legal action against AFL so she can play local footy
Trans footy pioneer plans legal action against AFL so she can play local footy
Feel sorry for the biological woman that will have to play men.
The number of people you feel sorry for will start to diminish quickly.
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This stream is from a disabled transwoman athlete who is firmly of the belief that transwomen's participation in female sport is unfair. BTW she has some blistering opinions about Stonewall, Mermaids etc as well. Someone I'd love to have a drink with and hear her out.
One of the tweets:
So, Hubbard takes the place of a female athlete who has worked tirelessly to be the best & made huge personal sacrifices, only to have it taken away by someone who has been through male puberty. The IOC & sports bodies are promoting unfair, unethical & misogynous policy, repugnant.And:
Im almost tempted to get into a throwing frame & show up the absurdity of allowing bio M to compete in women's sports categories. Likely my first shot putt will break the current British Women's record, then logged in my name meaning that a woman is robbed of her achievement. No!
Edit: Hat tip to @No-Quarter , found through the link you provided earlier
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@no-quarter That's a remarkable presentation of the data. Would be amusing if it was submitted to one of those infographics awards.
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@booboo said in Olympics Thread:
@mofitzy_ said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan
Embarrassing, just hope we don't medal in that event.Part of me wants zher to smash the comp to pieces, to highlight the ridiculousness.
Completely agree. Although part of me fears for the backlash of what will happen in other trans related discussions points should this happen. Thats one for the politics forum though.
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@bovidae said in Olympics Thread:
There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.
The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.
At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@bovidae said in Olympics Thread:
There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.
The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.
At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?
Bowls
Oh wait that’s the Commonwealth
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
Kiwi weightlifter to become first trans athlete to compete at Olympics
