All Blacks 2021

Toddy

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.

Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.

Starting loose forwards as a trio aren't abrasive enough for test footy imo. One of Ardie or Hoskins would need to drop out.

gt12

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

What about really ambitious: 2027 world cup:

The Groot

Aumua

The mighty Williams

Scott Barrett

Vaiiiiii

Robinson/ Blackadder

Sam Cane (may be to old - if so papalii)

Sotutu

Fakatava

Moanga

Clarke

J Barrett (could become a very good 12)

Lenert-Brown

Likley bolter/young gun. Ratumituvuki- knepkins?

Jordan (could become cullen good)

A Ross?

S Vikena?

Tuangafasi?

Lord or Darry

Savea

Only other good young guy is Roe

DMac or Z Sullivan

Not sure - nani-seturo? narawa? Fihaki?

Williams is a LH, Newell is the TH to watch.

That’s as far as I got.

Chris

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

What about really ambitious: 2027 world cup:

The Groot

Aumua

The mighty Williams

Scott Barrett

Vaiiiiii

Robinson/ Blackadder

Sam Cane (may be to old - if so papalii)

Sotutu

Fakatava

Moanga

Clarke

J Barrett (could become a very good 12)

Lenert-Brown

Likley bolter/young gun. Ratumituvuki- knepkins?

Jordan (could become cullen good)

A Ross?

S Vikena?

Tuangafasi?

Lord or Darry

Savea

Only other good young guy is Roe

DMac or Z Sullivan

Not sure - nani-seturo? narawa? Fihaki?

Williams is a LH, Newell is the TH to watch.

That’s as far as I got.

Williams can play both sides he was originally a TH
Probably will get some game time at TH for the Crusaders next season with Michael A gone.

booboo

@pukunui said in All Blacks 2021:

Blackadder 7.Savea 8.Ioane might be combo that is worth looking at. Savea provides the experience with Cane out.

Not sure Ioane and Sotutu should be in the same trio together. Especially if they are with Savea. All a bit too similar.

One thing i have found interesting is that Ioane has dropped out of the conversation for 8 a bit. 18 months ago he was mainly seen as an 8 and not really an option at 6.
Similar to his brother not being considered at 11 anymore.

Jeez.

678 is so open. Love it we're so passionate about it though.

Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Frizell, Sotutu, Blackadder Grace, Robinson, Jacobsen ...

Not really finding massive fault in any of those guys ...

Pick 3 ...

booboo

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

ALB is our centre right? Only way I can't see that happening is if they don't select Havili.

Que?

Havili 12
ALB 13

??

Bones

@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

ALB is our centre right? Only way I can't see that happening is if they don't select Havili.

Que?

Havili 12
ALB 13

??

If they don't select Havili I can't see any other option at 12. I wouldn't be surprised if PUJ gets selected though.

booboo

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you select Frizzell, Savea, and Barrett, and a hundred other bums, ahead of Papalii and Ioane, and then not understand why England fucking destroy your garbage forward pack
Savea a bum at the last World Cup? This is laughable beyond comprehension. Ioane was lazy as fuck back in 2019, I wouldn’t of had him anywhere near the All Blacks.

Pretty silly of you not even mentioning Read, he was probably the forward that was slightly passed it and there was probably question marks about his selection. But Ardie? You’re just on the troll at this point.

Bollocks. He was coming back from injury.

And "have".

booboo

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Imagine being so fucking dumb that you select Frizzell, Savea, and Barrett, and a hundred other bums, ahead of Papalii and Ioane, and then not understand why England fucking destroy your garbage forward pack
Savea a bum at the last World Cup? This is laughable beyond comprehension. Ioane was lazy as fuck back in 2019, I wouldn’t of had him anywhere near the All Blacks.

Pretty silly of you not even mentioning Read, he was probably the forward that was slightly passed it and there was probably question marks about his selection. But Ardie? You’re just on the troll at this point.
Past

Have

booboo

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

ALB is our centre right? Only way I can't see that happening is if they don't select Havili.

Que?

Havili 12
ALB 13

??

If they don't select Havili I can't see any other option at 12. I wouldn't be surprised if PUJ gets selected though.

The guy who can't make the Hurricanes?

antipodean

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.

Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.

Sotutu is going to be busy carrying them for 50mins.

Bones

@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

@bones said in All Blacks 2021:

ALB is our centre right? Only way I can't see that happening is if they don't select Havili.

Que?

Havili 12
ALB 13

??

If they don't select Havili I can't see any other option at 12. I wouldn't be surprised if PUJ gets selected though.

The guy who can't make the Hurricanes?

Sounds like a glowing endorsement to me.

pukunui

@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

@pukunui said in All Blacks 2021:

Blackadder 7.Savea 8.Ioane might be combo that is worth looking at. Savea provides the experience with Cane out.

Not sure Ioane and Sotutu should be in the same trio together. Especially if they are with Savea. All a bit too similar.

One thing i have found interesting is that Ioane has dropped out of the conversation for 8 a bit. 18 months ago he was mainly seen as an 8 and not really an option at 6.
Similar to his brother not being considered at 11 anymore.

Jeez.

678 is so open. Love it we're so passionate about it though.

Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Frizell, Sotutu, Blackadder Grace, Robinson, Jacobsen ...

Not really finding massive fault in any of those guys ...

Pick 3 ...

Yeah a huge amount of quality options for once. The important part will be picking 3 that get the balance right.

sparky

@mackerzzzz Well, it's a revisionist interpretation.......

gt12

Jacobson did himself few favours with his play today.

I like the guy, but I'm not convinced he is the answer, although a few opportunities at 8 could be worthwhile.

Right now, I like the idea of Akira, Paps, and Blackadder with Robinson and Ardie off the bench, but that won't happen (I think Robinson may finally be the lock/6 we've been looking for though).

So, Akira, Ardie, Blackadder with Robinson and Paps on the bench has all positions covered with enough ball running and defence to slow some teams down.

It will get very very tricky when Cane comes back and when Grace gets a bit stronger with his run involvements (his workrate is good but he's miles behind Blackadder with ball in hand).

That's not even considering some wildcards like Flanders who I think may be a bigger and better version of Jacobson.

Canes4life

@antipodean please, not another troll.

Canes4life

@booboo he can make the Canes, in fact he should be starting every week. Doesn’t help when we have Simple Jack as a coach who seems to do everything in his power to select the most average team possible.

PUJ is definitely good enough for the All Blacks and I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if his name is read out in that first squad of the year.

ACT Crusader

@toddy said in All Blacks 2021:

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.

Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.

Starting loose forwards as a trio aren't abrasive enough for test footy imo. One of Ardie or Hoskins would need to drop out.

Agree. Some have said Akira and Hoskins are too similar so can’t be in a test starting side together, but to me it’s Hoskins and Ardie that play a similar game. It’s one or the other and I suspect it will be Ardie that gets the nod.

Bovidae

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

I think Robinson may finally be the lock/6 we've been looking for though).

Robinson needs to be used at lock for the Blues to answer this question, particularly to look at his scrummaging ability. I'm sure they'll still use Barrett off the bench.

pukunui

@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

@toddy said in All Blacks 2021:

@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:

@pukunui yeah Savea has to start in the 7 jersey, we need all the experience we can get. The 6 and 8 jersey are still up in the air at this point for me but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Jacobsen so I hope they can fit him in.

Jacobsen 7. Savea and 8. Sotutu, with Papali’i on the bench is looking pretty good to me.

Starting loose forwards as a trio aren't abrasive enough for test footy imo. One of Ardie or Hoskins would need to drop out.

Agree. Some have said Akira and Hoskins are too similar so can’t be in a test starting side together, but to me it’s Hoskins and Ardie that play a similar game. It’s one or the other and I suspect it will be Ardie that gets the nod.

I would put them all in the same “group”.
ie. Rodney So’oialo type athletic guys rather than tackling machines like Cane/Mccaw or hitters like Kaino/Collins.

Tim

https://tiponrugby.substack.com/p/late-bloomer

In a piece touting David Havili and Anton Lienert-Brown as the All Blacks’ likely starters in the midfield next month, Liam Napier of the NZ Herald had this to say about Blues centre Rieko Ioane:

“This season for the Blues he's made plenty of metres but his decision-making and instinctive ability to create and feed his outsides hasn't dramatically improved, leaving the same conundrum of where he should feature for the All Blacks.”

Is this assertion supported by data? Looking at his try-involvement numbers, it’s true that not much has changed since last year. Across all Super Rugby in 2020, in 889 minutes played he provided 5 scoring passes to teammates and 1 penultimate pass in a scoring sequence for a rate of 0.5 primary and secondary try assists per 80 minutes; in 928 minutes in 2021, he has contributed 5 and 2 respectively for a rate of 0.6 per 80. It’s true that this is only a slight uptick in performance, but it’s worth emphasising that he still blows his competitors for the black 13 jersey out of the water by this metric overall: his average of 0.6 primary and secondary assists per 80 across the last 2 seasons is much higher than Lienert-Brown’s (0.2) and Braydon Ennor’s (0.3). The discussion around Rieko’s rugby continues to be one with more of a basis in perception than reality.

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