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    TJ gets rewarded for being shit in 2020. Lomax and Bridge being ABs is just wrong.

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      Don't know how Lomax stayed in ahead of De Groot and Ross. Otherwise as expected for me

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        I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

        Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

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        • sparkyS sparky

          I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

          Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

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          PUJ over Ennor for me. With the added advantage he isn 't always injured.
          de Groot over Lomax sure but I thought Lomax was strong in the mauls etc, it was Ta'avao I would question. Better scrummager than Lomax?

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            Great to see Joe Moody and Ofa T back. They have been missed.

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            • sparkyS sparky

              I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

              Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

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              @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

              I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

              Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

              I don't get the Ennor love at all except that his continued unavailability means that he isn't getting a chance to show how average he is.
              Like Bridge he's a good Super player that is made to look better by being in a good team.

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                What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                  I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

                  Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

                  I don't get the Ennor love at all except that his continued unavailability means that he isn't getting a chance to show how average he is.
                  Like Bridge he's a good Super player that is made to look better by being in a good team.

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                  @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                  I know it is a large squad but I am left underwhelmed by the selection of Tyrell Lomax, TJ Perenera, Braydon Ennor and George Bridge.

                  Adequate journeymen at Super Level but I can't see any of them pulling up trees at Test level.

                  I don't get the Ennor love at all except that his continued unavailability means that he isn't getting a chance to show how average he is.
                  Like Bridge he's a good Super player that is made to look better by being in a good team.

                  I don't think he should be there, but I guess he is seen as a similar type of player to Roane - covers 13 and both wings, so perhaps in the selectors eyes it could be that they want to put some time into developing him. If Roane were to get injured tomorrow, I assume that he would be the player for the 23 jersey (as ALB covers 12).

                  That's the best I've got, because on actual form I don't see why he is there.

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                    What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

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                    @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                    What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                    And your alternatives?

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                    • A ARHS

                      Don't know how Lomax stayed in ahead of De Groot and Ross. Otherwise as expected for me

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                      @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Don't know how Lomax stayed in ahead of De Groot and Ross. Otherwise as expected for me

                      Because Lomax is a TH, and De Groot and Ross are LHs?

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                      • M Mackerzzzz

                        What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

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                        @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                        What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                        @booboo

                        De Groot, Ross or Moli above Lomax.
                        Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.
                        PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.
                        Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

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                          I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

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                            I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

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                            @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                            I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

                            We are not massively blessed with a depth of talent on the Wing beyond Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan. I think Rayasi and Nareki would offer a bit more threat than Bridge but both are untried at Test level.

                            If they can show form or fitness, I'd be tempted to consider recalling either Caleb Clarke or Julian Savea for the EOYT.

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                              @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Don't know how Lomax stayed in ahead of De Groot and Ross. Otherwise as expected for me

                              Because Lomax is a TH, and De Groot and Ross are LHs?

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                              @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

                              @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Don't know how Lomax stayed in ahead of De Groot and Ross. Otherwise as expected for me

                              Because Lomax is a TH, and De Groot and Ross are LHs?

                              The squad has 4 tightheads and two looseheads in it. It looks like they're probably playing Tu'ungafasi out of position to keep Lomax around.

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                                @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                                I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

                                We are not massively blessed with a depth of talent on the Wing beyond Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan. I think Rayasi and Nareki would offer a bit more threat than Bridge but both are untried at Test level.

                                If they can show form or fitness, I'd be tempted to consider recalling either Caleb Clarke or Julian Savea for the EOYT.

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                                @sparky Ennor is back too - i'd like to see him tried on the wing.

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                                  @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                                  @booboo

                                  De Groot, Ross or Moli above Lomax.
                                  Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.
                                  PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.
                                  Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

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                                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                                  @booboo

                                  De Groot, Ross or Moli above Lomax.
                                  Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.
                                  PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.
                                  Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

                                  See that wasn't hard. Not a specific crack at you @sparky but I hate posts that boil down to "not that guy", without saying who is better.

                                  Are the props you named TH or LH? And fair enough if either as mentioned there's only two special is LHs (although both Ofa and Angus play, or at least havw played, both sides.

                                  Think you're pushing it a bit with Drummond and Roe.

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                                    @sparky Ennor is back too - i'd like to see him tried on the wing.

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                                    @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @sparky Ennor is back too - i'd like to see him tried on the wing.

                                    I see both Reiko Ioane and Ennor as Wings who can play Centre, not the other way around.

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                                    • sparkyS sparky

                                      @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

                                      We are not massively blessed with a depth of talent on the Wing beyond Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan. I think Rayasi and Nareki would offer a bit more threat than Bridge but both are untried at Test level.

                                      If they can show form or fitness, I'd be tempted to consider recalling either Caleb Clarke or Julian Savea for the EOYT.

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                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      I can understand Bridge still being in the squad but serious questions will be asked if he starts in Auckland. Good to hold some tackle bags though! 😉

                                      We not massively blessed with a depth of talent on the Wing beyond Reiko Ioane, Sevu Reece and Will Jordan. I think Rayasi and Nareki would offer a bit more threat than Bridge but both are untried at Test level.

                                      If they can show form or fitness, I'd be tempted to recall either Caleb Clarke or Julian Savea for the EOYT.

                                      I wonder if there has ever been any serious thought to playing DMac on the wing with a roving licence? Little wingers have done well in the past and he has the speed and elusiveness. Would be prone to getting bundled into touch though. He must have been shuffled there in a test before?

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                                        @booboo

                                        De Groot, Ross or Moli above Lomax.
                                        Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.
                                        PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.
                                        Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

                                        See that wasn't hard. Not a specific crack at you @sparky but I hate posts that boil down to "not that guy", without saying who is better.

                                        Are the props you named TH or LH? And fair enough if either as mentioned there's only two special is LHs (although both Ofa and Angus play, or at least havw played, both sides.

                                        Think you're pushing it a bit with Drummond and Roe.

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                                        @booboo De Groot and Ross play LH, Moli can play both sides but is he fit?

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                                          @mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          What a surprise. Always stick with your tried and tested right🤨!. Lomax, TJP, Bridge & Ennor should count themselves very lucky.

                                          @booboo

                                          De Groot, Ross or Moli above Lomax.
                                          Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.
                                          PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.
                                          Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Christie or Hall or Drummond or Roe above TJP.

                                          They'd all be stopgaps until Fakatava is available. Roe not even close, and too green.

                                          PUJ or Nankivell above Ennor.

                                          PUJ can't get starts at the Canes; Nankivell isn't a wing/centre.

                                          Rayasi or Nareki above Bridge.

                                          Maybe, but both are a bit overhyped by the media on the basis of a number of good games amidst some average games. Let them show some consistency in performance. Nareki is also too similar too Reece IMO.

                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          If they can show form or fitness, I'd be tempted to consider recalling either Caleb Clarke or Julian Savea for the EOYT.

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