Frizell assaults woman
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@arhs said in Frizell assaults woman:
@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
The Herald made a meal of it today. They ran the story in news headlines and an identical story in the sports pages a few pages later. Not the first time recently. Really plumbing the depths these days to fill up pages with so many rubbish opinion articles as well. That said the facts seem to be mounting against SF. But I would have thought that the responsible and pertinent headline would have been that NZRU has stood him down from the Bledisloe next week. But that would avoid the victim statement clickbait....
That headline would (should) lead to more discussion about how weak the punishment is, at least. It’s about 4-6 weeks off for punching in a game, but apparently only a week off for hitting a girl in a bar.
Plus of course, his need for support and nothing about loss of trust from the people who actually make sure the bills get paid.
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@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
Weepu and Nonu managed to breach the Hurricanes no dickheads policy yet satisfy the All Blacks in the same season. Hore managed to be in the leadership group for the ABs and a dickhead at Super Rugby level simultaneously.
Who judged them to be dickheads though?....The fern's favorite coach?
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@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
Has Foster and his team recently said that though?
Edit: Ok I saw the below and went, at least nepotism is alive and well.""It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.
"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.
"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.
"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us."
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So what does the new schedule mean for Frizell?
SANZAAR confirm schedule for Rugby Championship
SANZAAR has confirmed the Rugby Championship schedule, with the tournament set to be played in Queensland.
His hearing is on September 21.
He can't pop back from Australia for a couple of days. Are court hearings still happening under lockdown? Can he be remote? Does he get special treatment and get the hearing delayed? Does he miss the tour?
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it would be common sense to not take him, use his hearing as the reason to give him a break from the abs....will start
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@machpants said in Frizell assaults woman:
@crucial said in Frizell assaults woman:
Pretty sure that many court hearings are postponed. Also reduces the risk of the virus getting into prisons which would be a nightmare to manage.
Maybe he's not allowed to leave the country?
Quite possible
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See as he has been found wanting anyway, seems like a good opportunity to look at the northland ginger.
I've very uncomfortable with the lack of consequences he's facing for knocking out a woman's teeth. Assuming he gets diversion here from the courts.
At the very least the ABs should make it clear (can't believe I have to type this) that hitting woman is wrong.
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@kiwiwomble said in Frizell assaults woman:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Flatmate of mine got diversion, but the summary of facts was a great read. He was arrested in town after an Otago v Canterbury rugby game for offensive behaviour or similar for pulling a brown eye in the street. The SoF went something like: "Mr (Smudge's flatmate) then proceeded to drop his trousers and bend over, part his cheeks and say "kiss this, Canterbury".
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@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Ted also picked a Highlanders loose forward who had been before the courts on similar charges that were public.
You mean the one who whose case didn't even go to trial because the evidence didn't stack up?
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@smudge said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kiwiwomble said in Frizell assaults woman:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Flatmate of mine got diversion, but the summary of facts was a great read. He was arrested in town after an Otago v Canterbury rugby game for offensive behaviour or similar for pulling a brown eye in the street. The SoF went something like: "Mr (Smudge's flatmate) then proceeded to drop his trousers and bend over, part his cheeks and say "kiss this, Canterbury".
An anus horribilis?
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@smudge said in Frizell assaults woman:
@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
Ted also picked a Highlanders loose forward who had been before the courts on similar charges that were public.
You mean the one who whose case didn't even go to trial because the evidence didn't stack up?
Didn't his partner refuse to testify look or recanted their story? Not sure if that is looked at the same way these days.
If Frizzell completes diversion he won't go to trial either right? The alleged facts are clearly worse in this case.
I'm not trying to say these two alleged incidents are the same. It was a response to the "better people make better ABs" comment under Ted when you had players getting picked with similar charges, several of whom benefitted name suppression.
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@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
@smudge said in Frizell assaults woman:
@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
Ted also picked a Highlanders loose forward who had been before the courts on similar charges that were public.
You mean the one who whose case didn't even go to trial because the evidence didn't stack up?
Didn't his partner refuse to testify look or recanted their story? Not sure if that is looked at the same way these days.
If Frizzell completes diversion he won't go to trial either right? The alleged facts are clearly worse in this case.
I'm not trying to say these two alleged incidents are the same. It was a response to the "better people make better ABs" comment under Ted when you had players getting picked with similar charges, several of whom benefitted name suppression.
The Henry reign started off bumpy and they evolved to that better standard. Tana was also involved in sorting out the player leadership.
There is definitely a difference from Hanson and Fozzie’s era to Ted’s and not all for the better.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
The Henry reign started off bumpy and they evolved to that better standard. Tana was also involved in sorting out the player leadership.
There is definitely a difference from Hanson and Fozzie’s era to Ted’s and not all for the better.
But what is the difference?
I think we might be talking about different things here?
The culture within the AB camp was clearly better under Ted after the 2004 3N and the first half of Hansen's tenure.
The "better people" moniker is all I'm pointing out. Even during that 2008-2011 cycle you had reasonably senior ABs getting DUIs and drunk in public arrests with regularity - they just did it all while on Super Rugby duty and those with domestic violence issues had name suppression. It does seem like there is less of that nowadays?
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@smudge said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kiwiwomble said in Frizell assaults woman:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Ah fuck this fluffybunny. Just like Sevu. I just wish our All Blacks wouldn't assault people. Fucking disgraceful. I'm fine with rehabilitation for people who do these things but people like this shouldn't be public figures and representing our nation.
have to say, when i was at uni in dunners most people that used their diversions did so for things like taking a piss somewhere a little too public or in one case nicking all the pool balls from a pub, maybe pinching a road sign...not so much fighting let alone hitting a woman
Flatmate of mine got diversion, but the summary of facts was a great read. He was arrested in town after an Otago v Canterbury rugby game for offensive behaviour or similar for pulling a brown eye in the street. The SoF went something like: "Mr (Smudge's flatmate) then proceeded to drop his trousers and bend over, part his cheeks and say "kiss this, Canterbury".
One can never believe what one reads on the internet but this does have a ring of truth to it..
