All Blacks 2021
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@frye said in All Blacks 2021:
You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
I think our talent isn’t so bad ,
But from the outside looking in , our overall leadership doesn’t look as strong , well compared to the mccaw era anyway
Has a similar feel to the early 2000s to me , talent pool looks ok , not convinced yet on direction , but that could change , just unconvinced
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
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@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Yeah I’m prepared to get behind them , even with those doubts
I mean wanting them to succeed is more beneficial than the other way around to me , I don’t see the point in wanting them to fail so you can say told ya so
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@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Or maybe they have and you haven’t seen it?
Did Eddie show everyone the game he took England into the semi with? No. He put the pieces in place for that game though.
I think we would be dumb to go away from our natural way of playing at speed and reading what is in front of us. Then we need to grow the experience to read what the opposition is bringing and adjust quickly. That’s what we have failed on in the past. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Or maybe they have and you haven’t seen it?
Did Eddie show everyone the game he took England into the semi with? No. He put the pieces in place for that game though.
I think we would be dumb to go away from our natural way of playing at speed and reading what is in front of us. Then we need to grow the experience to read what the opposition is bringing and adjust quickly. That’s what we have failed on in the past.@crucial that may be true, but for the most part there is very little change since he took over, hopefully playing against SA will bring something out.
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I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
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I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
@nepia similarly when we played Aus, we adjusted our game to make Pocock ineffective, granted the opposition has been limited under Fosters reign, I havent seen alot to suggest they have any game...which is what makes the SA game huge, hoping we see some tweaks.
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I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
That 2019 semi final was the coaching group trying to be too cute, by putting in Barrett and taking out Cane (I cant type that without getting angry), and the constant chopping and changing in the back line (midfield especially).
On the other hand, Eddie had a strategy of how to play to our potential weaknesses, and some of them came off (eg, targeting Mo’unga on defense). Had we picked a better team and had he made a tackle that game could/would likely be a different result and Hanson would be revered as a god. It didn’t though.
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
That 2019 semi final was the coaching group trying to be too cute, by putting in Barrett and taking out Cane (I cant type that without getting angry), and the constant chopping and changing in the back line (midfield especially).
On the other hand, Eddie had a strategy of how to play to our potential weaknesses, and some of them came off (eg, targeting Mo’unga on defense). Had we picked a better team and had he made a tackle that game could/would likely be a different result and Hanson would be revered as a god. It didn’t though.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
That 2019 semi final was the coaching group trying to be too cute, by putting in Barrett and taking out Cane (I cant type that without getting angry), and the constant chopping and changing in the back line (midfield especially).
On the other hand, Eddie had a strategy of how to play to our potential weaknesses, and some of them came off (eg, targeting Mo’unga on defense). Has we picked a better team and he has made a tackles that game could/would likely be a different result and Hanson would be revered as a god. It didn’t though.
He definitely left one or two players out that could have helped. No doubt if he nurtured Akira maybe he would have developed in time to give us more physicality in the pack
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
That 2019 semi final was the coaching group trying to be too cute, by putting in Barrett and taking out Cane (I cant type that without getting angry), and the constant chopping and changing in the back line (midfield especially).
On the other hand, Eddie had a strategy of how to play to our potential weaknesses, and some of them came off (eg, targeting Mo’unga on defense). Had we picked a better team and had he made a tackle that game could/would likely be a different result and Hanson would be revered as a god. It didn’t though.
@gt12 not to mention we assumed picking Scott was to target a supposedly weaker England lineout, that we didn't.
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks 2021:
Class act. Congratulations to the big fella.
On what position he plays the question for me is are we better with 1 or 2
1 - Ioane / Papali’i (or Blackadder) / Savea
2 - Ioane / Savea / Jacobsen (or Sotutu)When it comes to work around the park I don’t think it matters too much for Ardie, he’s going to play pretty much the way he always does. But what complements his (and Ioane’s) game better - the options at 7 in the squad or the options at 8?
I do like Ardie’s game off the back of the attacking scrum. And given it could be an Ardie / Perenara 8/9 combo, that has shown to be pretty effective.
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks 2021:
Class act. Congratulations to the big fella.
On what position he plays the question for me is are we better with 1 or 2
1 - Ioane / Papali’i (or Blackadder) / Savea
2 - Ioane / Savea / Jacobsen (or Sotutu)When it comes to work around the park I don’t think it matters too much for Ardie, he’s going to play pretty much the way he always does. But what complements his (and Ioane’s) game better - the options at 7 in the squad or the options at 8?
I do like Ardie’s game off the back of the attacking scrum. And given it could be an Ardie / Perenara 8/9 combo, that has shown to be pretty effective.
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
@act-crusader that Ioane, Savea and Jacobson combo worked really well against Fiji but Foster has moved away from it ever since. I hope we get to see it again because I feel it’s the most balanced trio we have.
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks 2021:
Class act. Congratulations to the big fella.
On what position he plays the question for me is are we better with 1 or 2
1 - Ioane / Papali’i (or Blackadder) / Savea
2 - Ioane / Savea / Jacobsen (or Sotutu)When it comes to work around the park I don’t think it matters too much for Ardie, he’s going to play pretty much the way he always does. But what complements his (and Ioane’s) game better - the options at 7 in the squad or the options at 8?
I do like Ardie’s game off the back of the attacking scrum. And given it could be an Ardie / Perenara 8/9 combo, that has shown to be pretty effective.
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
@act-crusader looking forward to seeing how our tight forwards go against the Boks.
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Secret weapon? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
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Secret weapon? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
@stargazer Channeling Zinny.
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Secret weapon? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
Secret weapon? :face_with_tears_of_joy:
So Ioane / Blackadder / Savea it is.
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks 2021:
Class act. Congratulations to the big fella.
On what position he plays the question for me is are we better with 1 or 2
1 - Ioane / Papali’i (or Blackadder) / Savea
2 - Ioane / Savea / Jacobsen (or Sotutu)When it comes to work around the park I don’t think it matters too much for Ardie, he’s going to play pretty much the way he always does. But what complements his (and Ioane’s) game better - the options at 7 in the squad or the options at 8?
I do like Ardie’s game off the back of the attacking scrum. And given it could be an Ardie / Perenara 8/9 combo, that has shown to be pretty effective.
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
Blackadder also adds more than Sotutu as a bench option,having already been tried successfully at 8 and 7 for the Crusaders and at 7 for the AB's.
Foster mentioned when they selected him at 7 they think he can cover all 3 positions. -
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
Blackadder also adds more than Sotutu as a bench option,having already been tried successfully at 8 and 7 for the Crusaders and at 7 for the AB's.
Foster mentioned when they selected him at 7 they think he can cover all 3 positions.@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
Blackadder also adds more than Sotutu as a bench option,having already been tried successfully at 8 and 7 for the Crusaders and at 7 for the AB's.
Foster mentioned when they selected him at 7 they think he can cover all 3 positions.So we're taking on board on what he thinks now?
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
Blackadder also adds more than Sotutu as a bench option,having already been tried successfully at 8 and 7 for the Crusaders and at 7 for the AB's.
Foster mentioned when they selected him at 7 they think he can cover all 3 positions.So we're taking on board on what he thinks now?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:
I think it will come down to whether they want Papali’i or Jacobsen starting. There’s definitely merit in both, but I’m leaning that they go with 1 and they have Jacobsen or Sotutu on the bench.
Sotutu is only a no.8 so his lack of utility will count against him. Jacobson can play 6/7/8, Papalii 6/7 and Savea 7/8 so there are options and versatility with those players. It is also likely that it is Ioane who will be subbed more often than Papalii so there is less disruption if Jacobson just slots into 6. The fun will start when Cane is back and who gets the bench loose forward position.
Blackadder also adds more than Sotutu as a bench option,having already been tried successfully at 8 and 7 for the Crusaders and at 7 for the AB's.
Foster mentioned when they selected him at 7 they think he can cover all 3 positions.So we're taking on board on what he thinks now?
Of Course,Foster is the AB coach ,cough cough
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I think v SA we need the physicality and defence that Papali'i brings, so that automatically pushes Ardie to 8...I think v Aus and Arg we can run Ardie at 7 and have Jacobson or Sotutu at 8, but v SA I think it will be Akira, Dalton & Ardie.
