Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)

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@booboo Sotutu

[booboo]

@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

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Ah. Good.

[ACT Crusader]

@booboo Scott Barrett…

[Gunner]

@voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@gunner said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bones said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Akira Ioane's big work ons:

Jackling. He's a big guy, but that's not an excuse. Gets the odd turnover for the Blues but gives away ruck penalties too. May lack confidence as well as skills there.

Link play. Not a traditional big six strength, but could up fitness and improve decision making to get involved more in support. First half of 2019 Super Rugby his link play was excellent, maybe lacks confidence or decision making of when to switch lines.

Decision making of when to stay on his lines and when to hit the ruck or link off his line. Does this very well late in the game, but could increase involvement in first 50 minutes by being able to pick when to get involved. That kind of decision making could be the difference between a very good player and a great player.

I thought after watching today his only work on for me is a huge nit pick, but I would've preferred to see him take those tries himself - extra pass makes room for a mistake and getting those tries himself maybe has an effect on the oppo"s head space too? Best game in black for me, although admittedly against a fairly ordinary Oz.

I agree with this, almost like he was showboating that the gams is too easy for him, look at how unselfish I am etc. Just run over that last defender!!

Poor old Akira can’t win can he.
Ah well, we can always go back to back Shannon Frizzell.

Whatchu talking bout Willis?

He was fucking awesome. Best player on the paddock. Like Bones said, a huge bit pick, but just cos he was awesome doesn't mean we can't discuss work ons!

I don’t see learning to be a hungus prick as a valid work on, probably more the other way around.

Akira a couple of years ago probably would have steamrolled the last defender, ignoring the unmarked man outside him, and we’d have been saying ‘Akira needs to learn to pass’

I’d like to know when putting your team mate over for a freebie try became a no-no?

To me a simple catch and pass is far less risky than tucking and going yourself and potentially loosing the ball in the tackle, being tackled short of the line or being tackled into touch.

[voodoo]

Fair enough, at least that's a valid debate rather than just saying we can't critique! On this particular subject, obviously every instance is different, there are times when making an extra pass is unnecessary and times when its the better option.

[Kiwiwomble]

i didn't think blowing over that last defender was a work on really....i just thought he deserved the meat pie, ive been saying for a while i wanted to see what he could do with a couple of game in a row and am stoked he seems to keep building

[ACT Crusader]

@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.

To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head

[voodoo]

@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.

To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head

:grinning_squinting_face:

On another note, I haven't read much about DMacs 1-handed ball placement - guess it didn't matter in the end, but if Reiko had done it the Fern would have exploded!

[Crucial]

@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.

[booboo]

@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@booboo Scott Barrett…

There's always one ...

[canefan]

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.

It was ugly. But he got up pretty damn high and I think it was his instincts trying to balance, that was all. He wasn't even looking at him

[ACT Crusader]

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.

It’s not unnatural for some people when they jump high for their leg to swing out high like that. I’m not a tall guy but when I was doing jump training I was taught to do this, mine never swung out far though.

Look at these guys and the difference in how far out their non landing leg goes out.

[Kirwan]

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Good point by Ozzie journo

If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.

That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.

Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart

Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.

This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.

He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho

I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....

Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.

[ACT Crusader]

@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@booboo Scott Barrett…

There's always one ...

Me and Fozzie on a unity ticket, Scooter finished the test on the blindside

[Duluth]

@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Good point by Ozzie journo

If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.

That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.

Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart

Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.

This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.

He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho

I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....

Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.

We beat them plenty of times with a wide ranging no 8 (K Read). In this team pattern the 8 plays more of the middle of field on attack and the 6 is out wide.

Of course that's only on attack and only during phase play.

[voodoo]

@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.

It’s not unnatural for some people when they jump high for their leg to swing out high like that. I’m not a tall guy but when I was doing jump training I was taught to do this, mine never swung out far though.

Look at these guys and the difference in how far out their non landing leg goes out.

which one were you in the vid?

[Kirwan]

@duluth said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@shark said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Good point by Ozzie journo

If there is one area of concern for the All Blacks arising from the match – apart from Beauden Barrett’s abominable place kicking – it is this. They were caught a few times, too slow to re-form close to the ruck, and while Foster acknowledged the strength of the Wallabies in targeting this area, and some potential mitigation around positional and personnel disruption, he duly recognised that this is an area where the All Blacks need to improve sharply.

That presents a conundrum for Akira Ioane, who impressed again in the close channels during the first half. That’s exactly where All Black fans over the years have liked to see their number six; with his sleeves rolled up and his shoulders smacking hard into the opposition.

Yet it was out wide where Ioane tore the game apart

Akira and Ardie mean only one close in 'expert', when we really need two. If our hookers were like Marx, we'd be fine, but they are wide boys too.

This is the point I made re Ioane. Impressive but let's see if he can grunt it up against SA.

He might not get called on to do it, ABs have a loose forward and a hooker wide. Seems like Akira is the loose forward to go wide, might change Vs SA tho

I'm trying to think of times when we've beaten SA using a wide ranging 6.....

Akira was doing the wide ranging loosie role when he moved to 8. The rest of the time he plays six he's in tight doing the grunt work. So he was taking up Ardie's role when he went off.

We beat them plenty of times with a wide ranging no 8 (K Read). In this team pattern the 8 plays more of the middle of field on attack and the 6 is out wide.

Of course that's only on attack and only during phase play.

As we discussed earlier, this game was weird once Ardie went off, as Akira was making all the running for loosies. Dalton and Blackadder were only tackling.

[Crucial]

@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.

It’s not unnatural for some people when they jump high for their leg to swing out high like that. I’m not a tall guy but when I was doing jump training I was taught to do this, mine never swung out far though.

Look at these guys and the difference in how far out their non landing leg goes out.

You need to send that to Jordie's defence team.

[ACT Crusader]

@voodoo other than the guy holding the broomstick…my jumping action was similar to Justice Hill, minus about 10 inches

[taniwharugby]

@act-crusader I liken it to plenty of occasions with accidental contact in the air, the player on the ground realises they arent getting there and there will be a collision, natural instinct is to brace for the impact, making the failed attempt even worse.

You do wonder if the 20 min card played any part in his thinking of issuing it, so if the 20 min wasnt available would he have just gone for 10 and then he is cited and let the judiciary deal with it?