Aussie Pro Rugby
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@tim This isn't going to make Australian SR sides more competitive...
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Maybe it isn't a bad short-term strategy to let guys have time at home - going to Europe after TRC and then probably having to quarantine back here after isn't a thrilling prospect for anyone, especially as you're meant to be diving into preseason straight after.
Will it help team cohesion tho? Will it help us win? Is it just there to remind these guys they can still play for Australia?
If we don't get JOC right playing 10, and if Kerevi isn't available, the team suddenly looks very different.
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aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
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aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
While I agree in principle, I'm becoming less convinced of the viability of the longer term fortunes from Wallaby success.
There are a lot of impediments in place to linking current success to the next generation of Wallabies, including Sydney Club Rugby and the lack of alignment with schools.
EDIT: laziness plays a part as well. When Australian Rugby does something significant and positive, there is a tendency to sit on laurels.
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@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
While I agree in principle, I'm becoming less convinced of the viability of the longer term fortunes from Wallaby success.
There are a lot of impediments in place to linking current success to the next generation of Wallabies, including Sydney Club Rugby and the lack of alignment with schools.
EDIT: laziness plays a part as well. When Australian Rugby does something significant and positive, there is a tendency to sit on laurels.
@nta sorry, should be re clear, i mean more Aussie in general, starting with the club scene and going up, ive said before i was shocked club games in melbourne clashed with Super games for example, considering there is nothing in between the clubs and a rebels contract...they should be doing as much as they can to make sure those that enjoy playing rugby...actually go and watch the rebels
Part of that is also given them something to watch and enjoy, and winning more games would help
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The last few games have made me rethink the Giteau rule. The introduction of Kerevi and Cooper have arguably won us games, and at very least made us a much better side.
We're now in a purple patch of form. There's a buzz around the team. The Giteau rule needs to go to allow this to happen permanently.
Now I don't want it to be open slather, but we need to allow our top guys to come back for the international season. Yes it may impact Super Rugby but that is outweighed by a winning Wallaby team.
I'm also in favour of bringing in Skelton and co for the autumn internationals. We've got a unique opportunity to see what we've got with these guys, and if they have the same impact that Kerevi has had.
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The last few games have made me rethink the Giteau rule. The introduction of Kerevi and Cooper have arguably won us games, and at very least made us a much better side.
We're now in a purple patch of form. There's a buzz around the team. The Giteau rule needs to go to allow this to happen permanently.
Now I don't want it to be open slather, but we need to allow our top guys to come back for the international season. Yes it may impact Super Rugby but that is outweighed by a winning Wallaby team.
I'm also in favour of bringing in Skelton and co for the autumn internationals. We've got a unique opportunity to see what we've got with these guys, and if they have the same impact that Kerevi has had.
@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
The last few games have made me rethink the Giteau rule. The introduction of Kerevi and Cooper have arguably won us games, and at very least made us a much better side.
Ironically, allowing your players to be selected from overseas makes them less attractive to employers, as they can go missing. The challenge is always integrating, looking after them (medically) and managing their workload with seasons out of alignment.
Obviously all aside from the weakening of local pathways and competitions.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
The last few games have made me rethink the Giteau rule. The introduction of Kerevi and Cooper have arguably won us games, and at very least made us a much better side.
Ironically, allowing your players to be selected from overseas makes them less attractive to employers, as they can go missing. The challenge is always integrating, looking after them (medically) and managing their workload with seasons out of alignment.
Obviously all aside from the weakening of local pathways and competitions.
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EXCLUSIVE Rugby Australia is on the cusp of the "biggest change since rugby went professional".
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@steven-harris i dont like it, i know aussie rugby is struggling but i dont like how top heavy NZ rugby is, sacrificing everything else for International rugby
Would we really want anyone thats been involved in RA over the last decade to be in charge of EVERTHING?
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@steven-harris i dont like it, i know aussie rugby is struggling but i dont like how top heavy NZ rugby is, sacrificing everything else for International rugby
Would we really want anyone thats been involved in RA over the last decade to be in charge of EVERTHING?
@kiwiwomble can understand your reasons , it could be a short term gain but on saying that it could have huge benefits ..
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@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
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I can't see how this is tenable for SR coaches:
By moving to a centralised program, RA would similarly be able to influence where players end up across the five Super Rugby franchises. A case in point would be Jordan Petaia, where Wallabies selectors are keen to see him play fullback but, at this point, the prodigious talent has played predominantly on the wing or at outside centre with Jock Campbell instead preferred in the No. 15 jersey. But with Campbell not in the selection frame at the Wallabies, Petaia has been denied the chance to play in his preferred position, with injuries also playing a strong part in Brad Thorn’s decision making regarding selection. Last month, Thorn didn’t guarantee Petaia would play at fullback in 2022 and said they rated Campbell highly. -
@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
EXCLUSIVE Rugby Australia is on the cusp of the "biggest change since rugby went professional".
FULL DETAILS
: https://bit.ly/3Fh2qmQCentral contracting , this could be huge for Aussie Rugby
I can't see how this is tenable for SR coaches:
By moving to a centralised program, RA would similarly be able to influence where players end up across the five Super Rugby franchises. A case in point would be Jordan Petaia, where Wallabies selectors are keen to see him play fullback but, at this point, the prodigious talent has played predominantly on the wing or at outside centre with Jock Campbell instead preferred in the No. 15 jersey. But with Campbell not in the selection frame at the Wallabies, Petaia has been denied the chance to play in his preferred position, with injuries also playing a strong part in Brad Thorn’s decision making regarding selection. Last month, Thorn didn’t guarantee Petaia would play at fullback in 2022 and said they rated Campbell highly.@antipodean well they could just carry on business as usual and lose players offshore each year which further dissolves the quality of their Super teams .
What’s that saying , doing the same thing and expecting a different result .. -
@antipodean well they could just carry on business as usual and lose players offshore each year which further dissolves the quality of their Super teams .
What’s that saying , doing the same thing and expecting a different result ..@steven-harris I don't consider it an either or proposition, merely that that aspect is stupid beyond belief.
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@steven-harris I don't consider it an either or proposition, merely that that aspect is stupid beyond belief.
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@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
I didn't say central contracting for Australian Rugby was stupid. Perhaps read what I quoted before responding.
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@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
I didn't say central contracting for Australian Rugby was stupid. Perhaps read what I quoted before responding.
