All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
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Joe Moody (53) -
Codie Taylor (63) -
Nepo Laulala (36) -
Brodie Retallick (88) -
Scott Barrett (47) -
Akira Ioane (9) -
Ardie Savea (55) – captain -
Luke Jacobson (9) -
Brad Weber (13) -
Beauden Barrett (97) -
Rieko Ioane (43) -
David Havili (10) -
Anton Lienert-Brown (52) -
Sevu Reece (13) -
Jordie Barrett (31)
RESERVES
16. Asafo Aumua (3)
17. George Bower (7)
18. Ofa Tuungafasi (41)
19. Patrick Tuipulotu (40)
20. Ethan Blackadder (6)
21. TJ Perenara (74)
22. Richie Mo’unga (26)
23. Damian McKenzie (36)Thank fuck -it looks like they're selecting based on form. Samisoni must be injured.
No real quibbles on selection. Might have started Blackadder at 6 with Akira on bench for a long burst in second half as boks tired. Would prefer Samisoni as reserve hooker but hope this means he might start v USA. I do like the look of the backline and the bench potency. Let's run them off their feet. Just hope Carley loosens up on his tight control of infringements. I want to see more flow and mistakenly thought Pearce would assist that. Ardie you need to help influence that flow through the ref.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.
According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell
). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.
According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell
). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe, but the Bomb Squad is an experienced unit.
Aumua and Blower seem a step down, and Patty T is a useless scrummager so the LH side will be seriously tested.
It's clear TWM want to see if they've got what it takes at the highest level, and hoping any deficiencies won't be fatal.
Likewise, Reece gets chance to see if he can cope with bombs at this level.
Can't really fault the starting 15.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who is the ref?
Carley. He did the Aust-Arg game last weekend and the Aust-SA game a week earlier. He looks the better of the two English refs.
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
Errors yes. But they were able to interfere with our ball at the breakdown, both legally and maybe not, but they played to the ref. We need to clean them out to reduce turnovers and allow our HB to clear the ball quicker
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nepia I've come round and actually think Reece is a quality player, smart and good vision, and cab beat a man, still a douche though (although seeing clips of abs in training and off the park he seems a good dude...but not sure I'll come round to that)
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with Reece's playing in general (he's less prone to defensive lapses these days) but I don't want players in the ABs merely because they lost their overseas contract.
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nepia I've come round and actually think Reece is a quality player, smart and good vision, and cab beat a man, still a douche though (although seeing clips of abs in training and off the park he seems a good dude...but not sure I'll come round to that)
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with Reece's playing in general (he's less prone to defensive lapses these days) but I don't want players in the ABs merely because they lost their overseas contract.
Irish-style bitterness is strong in this one.
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Won’t even be close this week
ABs by 11-14
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@dan54 Some bastard here will probably come up with a video - except, now that I've asked them to.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@dan54 Some bastard here will probably come up with a video - except, now that I've asked them to. :).
Yep remember him spilling one badly in a tackle in first half. Also could have had a try when he popped a no look pass behind him to no one. He was expecting someone to be there but if he had a quick look he would have found Jordie eho would have been a good chance close to the line
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Won’t even be close this week
ABs by 11-14
@mikethesnow said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Won’t even be close this week
ABs by 11-14
That’s too close
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I heard match organisers are planning for a delay between the anthems, the time for the South African medical staff to attend to the players with injured vocal cords.
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Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.
According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell
). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe, but the Bomb Squad is an experienced unit.
Aumua and Blower seem a step down, and Patty T is a useless scrummager so the LH side will be seriously tested.
It's clear TWM want to see if they've got what it takes at the highest level, and hoping any deficiencies won't be fatal.
Likewise, Reece gets chance to see if he can cope with bombs at this level.
Can't really fault the starting 15.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell ). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe
But Malherbe isn't playing so Nyakane is switching to the TH side. The SA starting front row for this test isn't as good as last weeks.
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Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
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Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
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Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.
That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.
So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.
Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!
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@nzzp how were the Boks tired?
They used all thier timeouts, and ours!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp how were the Boks tired?
They used all thier timeouts, and ours!
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