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All Blacks vs Springboks II

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  • P pakman

    @bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

    @mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

    @bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

    It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.

    According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.

    He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell 🙂 ). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe, but the Bomb Squad is an experienced unit.

    Aumua and Blower seem a step down, and Patty T is a useless scrummager so the LH side will be seriously tested.

    It's clear TWM want to see if they've got what it takes at the highest level, and hoping any deficiencies won't be fatal.

    Likewise, Reece gets chance to see if he can cope with bombs at this level.

    Can't really fault the starting 15.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

    @bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
    He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell 🙂 ). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe

    But Malherbe isn't playing so Nyakane is switching to the TH side. The SA starting front row for this test isn't as good as last weeks.

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      Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

      That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

      So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

      Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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      • nzzpN nzzp

        Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

        That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

        So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

        Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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        @nzzp Hoping for a 2003 Steve Devine style performance.

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          How good is it having this much rugby on every week!

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          • nzzpN nzzp

            Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

            That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

            So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

            Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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            @nzzp how were the Boks tired?

            They used all thier timeouts, and ours!

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @nzzp how were the Boks tired?

              They used all thier timeouts, and ours!

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              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

              @nzzp how were the Boks tired?

              They used all thier timeouts, and ours!

              Overtired

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              • nzzpN nzzp

                Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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                @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                Weber doesn’t get as emotionally involved as TJ does. When TJ is wound up and/or frustrated it shows.

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                • OomPBO OomPB

                  Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50

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                  @oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                  Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50

                  Perhaps the Springboks may like to come and play rugby this weekend. If they do, it should be a good match in between all the little recovery "injuries'.

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                  • nzzpN nzzp

                    Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                    That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                    So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                    Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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                    @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                    Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                    That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                    So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                    Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                    Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.

                    In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.

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                    • No QuarterN No Quarter

                      @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                      Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                      That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                      So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                      Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                      Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.

                      In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.

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                      @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                      @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                      Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                      That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                      So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                      Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                      Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.

                      In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.

                      He will have any easier job than last week if we clean the boks out of our breakdowns

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                      • canefanC canefan

                        @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                        Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                        That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                        So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                        Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                        Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.

                        In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.

                        He will have any easier job than last week if we clean the boks out of our breakdowns

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                        @canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                        @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                        Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                        That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                        So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                        Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                        Weber can be an absolute liability, Chiefs fans will attest to that. But at the moment TJP is taking multiple steps looking for runners before passing, which we just can't afford against a rush defense. If Weber can just get to the ruck and clear it without those delays then our backline will be much better for it.

                        In terms or accuracy of pass, both are about the same - they spray it all over the shop.

                        He will have any easier job than last week if we clean the boks out of our breakdowns

                        More the case of providing protection on the fringe. The ref was allowing the halfback to be attacked almost as they touched the ball in some cases. Can't really blame TJ for wanting to get away before passing

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                        • HoorooH Hooroo

                          @oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                          Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50

                          Perhaps the Springboks may like to come and play rugby this weekend. If they do, it should be a good match in between all the little recovery "injuries'.

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                          @hooroo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                          @oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                          Very strong All Blacks team and bench. Cant see the Springbok being competitive in the last test. All Blacks by 50

                          Perhaps the Springboks may like to come and play rugby this weekend. If they do, it should be a good match in between all the little recovery "injuries'.

                          They're running a good disinformation campaign if that's the case!

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                          • nzzpN nzzp

                            Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                            That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                            So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                            Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

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                            @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                            Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                            That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                            So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                            Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                            We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

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                              @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                              Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                              That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                              So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                              Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                              We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

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                              @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                              @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                              Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                              That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                              So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                              Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                              We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                              There is also a lot of really good half backs internationally as well, so the bar is high in other places. Despite being stuck box kicking Faff is actually good at other things, when he plays in the UK. The French have whatsisname, who is also great. But yes, TJ is about ‘average’ for ABs 9s, we’ve had worse!

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                                @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

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                                @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

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                                • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                  @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                  @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                  Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                  That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                  So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                  Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                  We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                  This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

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                                  @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                  @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                  @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                  Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                  That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                  So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                  Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                  We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                  This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

                                  Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.

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                                  • NepiaN Nepia

                                    @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                    That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                    So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                    Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                    We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                    This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

                                    Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.

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                                    @nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                    Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                    That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                    So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                    Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                    We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                    This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

                                    Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.

                                    i've long been of the opinion that Aaron Smith is the most important component of our lineout

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                                    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                                      @nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                      @no-quarter said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                      @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                      @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                      Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                      That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                      So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                      Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                      We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                      This is slick from Savea and Read down the side, but look at the clearance from Smith. He does it 100 times a game but it is pure sex, no delay and hitting his man on the chest moving forward. Playing 10 outside him would be a fucking dream, he just creates so much space for the backline.

                                      https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1443109739315941379?s=19

                                      Also helps the lineout too, no need to risk going to the back to get fast ball wide as Smith can do it not matter where the ball comes.

                                      i've long been of the opinion that Aaron Smith is the most important component of our lineout

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                                      @mariner4life agreed, his pass gives us options even from the front of the lineout

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                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                        Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                        That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                        So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                        Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                        We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

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                                        @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                        Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                        That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                        So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                        Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                        We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                        It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.

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                                          @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                          Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                          That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                          So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                          Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                          We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                          It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.

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                                          @antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                          @nevorian said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

                                          Controversial opinon here, but I'm not convinced that Weber will be an improvement on TJP. We know that coming on against tired legs makes a halfback look better, and we've seen this back to the Marshall/Kelleher days. TJP is a quality halfback, who sometimes struggles to get his passes right.

                                          That said, when he focusses on getting to the ruck and clearacne, he looks just fine ... and then brings a lot to the table.

                                          So, I wouldn't be surprised if we're stoked to see TJ come on with 20ish to go ... and if Weber doesn't look quite as good against a fresh Bok pack.

                                          Obviously hope to be proved wrong, and BW plays an absolute blinder!

                                          We seem to have a lack of depth at halfback in NZ at the mo buy is it just because of the very high bar that A Smith has set for others to reach?

                                          It's never been a great strength of New Zealand rugby, but what is infuriating is the other current candidates don't appear to be bothered by the disparity between their skills and his.

                                          i wanted to play like Richie. I fucking tried. i just couldn't.

                                          the dude is the GOAT for a reason.

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