Aussie Pro Rugby
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@steven-harris i dont like it, i know aussie rugby is struggling but i dont like how top heavy NZ rugby is, sacrificing everything else for International rugby
Would we really want anyone thats been involved in RA over the last decade to be in charge of EVERTHING?
@kiwiwomble can understand your reasons , it could be a short term gain but on saying that it could have huge benefits ..
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EXCLUSIVE Rugby Australia is on the cusp of the "biggest change since rugby went professional".
FULL DETAILS
: https://bit.ly/3Fh2qmQCentral contracting , this could be huge for Aussie Rugby
@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
EXCLUSIVE Rugby Australia is on the cusp of the "biggest change since rugby went professional".
FULL DETAILS
: https://bit.ly/3Fh2qmQCentral contracting , this could be huge for Aussie Rugby
I can't see how this is tenable for SR coaches:
By moving to a centralised program, RA would similarly be able to influence where players end up across the five Super Rugby franchises. A case in point would be Jordan Petaia, where Wallabies selectors are keen to see him play fullback but, at this point, the prodigious talent has played predominantly on the wing or at outside centre with Jock Campbell instead preferred in the No. 15 jersey. But with Campbell not in the selection frame at the Wallabies, Petaia has been denied the chance to play in his preferred position, with injuries also playing a strong part in Brad Thorn’s decision making regarding selection. Last month, Thorn didn’t guarantee Petaia would play at fullback in 2022 and said they rated Campbell highly. -
@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
EXCLUSIVE Rugby Australia is on the cusp of the "biggest change since rugby went professional".
FULL DETAILS
: https://bit.ly/3Fh2qmQCentral contracting , this could be huge for Aussie Rugby
I can't see how this is tenable for SR coaches:
By moving to a centralised program, RA would similarly be able to influence where players end up across the five Super Rugby franchises. A case in point would be Jordan Petaia, where Wallabies selectors are keen to see him play fullback but, at this point, the prodigious talent has played predominantly on the wing or at outside centre with Jock Campbell instead preferred in the No. 15 jersey. But with Campbell not in the selection frame at the Wallabies, Petaia has been denied the chance to play in his preferred position, with injuries also playing a strong part in Brad Thorn’s decision making regarding selection. Last month, Thorn didn’t guarantee Petaia would play at fullback in 2022 and said they rated Campbell highly.@antipodean well they could just carry on business as usual and lose players offshore each year which further dissolves the quality of their Super teams .
What’s that saying , doing the same thing and expecting a different result .. -
@antipodean well they could just carry on business as usual and lose players offshore each year which further dissolves the quality of their Super teams .
What’s that saying , doing the same thing and expecting a different result ..@steven-harris I don't consider it an either or proposition, merely that that aspect is stupid beyond belief.
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@steven-harris I don't consider it an either or proposition, merely that that aspect is stupid beyond belief.
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@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
I didn't say central contracting for Australian Rugby was stupid. Perhaps read what I quoted before responding.
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@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean don't the All Blacks employ central contracting? why is it stupid for us?
I didn't say central contracting for Australian Rugby was stupid. Perhaps read what I quoted before responding.
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@antipodean I mean, presumably its 'be happy with what you are given?' Without RA money none of the SR franchises even exist.
You ever tried being less of an insufferable cnut?
@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean I mean, presumably its 'be happy with what you are given?' Without RA money none of the SR franchises even exist.
You ever tried being less of an insufferable cnut?
I simply got sick of fuckwits who have a difficult time comprehending simple points.
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@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean I mean, presumably its 'be happy with what you are given?' Without RA money none of the SR franchises even exist.
You ever tried being less of an insufferable cnut?
I simply got sick of fuckwits who have a difficult time comprehending simple points.
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@antipodean the fuck you doing on the internet then?
@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean the fuck you doing on the internet then?
It's probably escaped your attention, but there are knowledgeable, pleasurable people on this site who aren't constantly fucking negative all the time.
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@derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean the fuck you doing on the internet then?
It's probably escaped your attention, but there are knowledgeable, pleasurable people on this site who aren't constantly fucking negative all the time.
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@antipodean well you clearly aren't one of them haha
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...not jumping into the middle of that
@Derpus i dont like it because i think the central contracting is playing a part in what i consider a disconnect between grass roots rugby and the AB's, everything is top down (famously an unstable building technique)
Ironically its what i already see in aussie rugby, guys in my club not even knowing what time super games were on, they would finish playing and then go to the pub to watch the AFL, and i dont think this will change any of that
Also, we have famously bagged how RA has been run....do we want the same people in charge of everything?
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...not jumping into the middle of that
@Derpus i dont like it because i think the central contracting is playing a part in what i consider a disconnect between grass roots rugby and the AB's, everything is top down (famously an unstable building technique)
Ironically its what i already see in aussie rugby, guys in my club not even knowing what time super games were on, they would finish playing and then go to the pub to watch the AFL, and i dont think this will change any of that
Also, we have famously bagged how RA has been run....do we want the same people in charge of everything?
@kiwiwomble the disconnect is already happening over in NZ - has been for some time. Clubs can't get enough props and are drifting further from their provincial team. Certain schools are warehousing all the talent. Kids are picked for NPC before they finish high school. If you're not in the groove by the time you hit a certain age, you're unlikely to get into the top tiers anyway, so quit.
Throw in demographic changes, financial challenges (Saturday work is a killer) and the options people now have to spend their weekend, and you're looking at rugby being a tough game to support at times.
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@kiwiwomble the disconnect is already happening over in NZ - has been for some time. Clubs can't get enough props and are drifting further from their provincial team. Certain schools are warehousing all the talent. Kids are picked for NPC before they finish high school. If you're not in the groove by the time you hit a certain age, you're unlikely to get into the top tiers anyway, so quit.
Throw in demographic changes, financial challenges (Saturday work is a killer) and the options people now have to spend their weekend, and you're looking at rugby being a tough game to support at times.
@nta thats what im saying, and thats in NZ where previously a very strong NPC following, so following that track when you dont have that base level could be devastating
@nta said in Aussie Rugby:
@kiwiwomble Kids are picked for NPC before they finish high school.
sadly they're being picked for super teams and skipping NPC.....
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@nta thats what im saying, and thats in NZ where previously a very strong NPC following, so following that track when you dont have that base level could be devastating
@nta said in Aussie Rugby:
@kiwiwomble Kids are picked for NPC before they finish high school.
sadly they're being picked for super teams and skipping NPC.....
@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
sadly they're being picked for super teams and skipping NPC.....
I was talking at the minimum level. At least they'll play NPC - here they get thrown into shit club rugby.
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@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
sadly they're being picked for super teams and skipping NPC.....
I was talking at the minimum level. At least they'll play NPC - here they get thrown into shit club rugby.
@nta im with ya
the "old" structure came to be for good reason in my mind (school<club<NPC<Super<international) with the odd freak skipping steps, now we have have 19 years playing super rugby and wondering why theyre not as good/experienced as previous generations
ive said it before Fumi tanaka (already a japanese international) rocked up in Dunedin in 2012 with nothing other than the idea it was a good place to play, joined a club...played a whole club season...got picked for Otago...played a whole NPC season...got picked up by the Highlanders played a whole super season...that i respect
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@nta im with ya
the "old" structure came to be for good reason in my mind (school<club<NPC<Super<international) with the odd freak skipping steps, now we have have 19 years playing super rugby and wondering why theyre not as good/experienced as previous generations
ive said it before Fumi tanaka (already a japanese international) rocked up in Dunedin in 2012 with nothing other than the idea it was a good place to play, joined a club...played a whole club season...got picked for Otago...played a whole NPC season...got picked up by the Highlanders played a whole super season...that i respect
@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
ive said it before Fumi tanaka (already a japanese international) rocked up in Dunedin in 2012 with nothing other than the idea it was a good place to play, joined a club...played a whole club season...got picked for Otago...played a whole NPC season...got picked up by the Highlanders played a whole super season...that i respect
Exactly: show your wares, and progress through the levels.
One guy playing here in Sydney Subbies (when it was no amateur nearly a decade ago), was shown to the Brumbies as a talent, but they shrugged and said it'd take 2 years to get him up to speed just from the S&C point of view.
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@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
ive said it before Fumi tanaka (already a japanese international) rocked up in Dunedin in 2012 with nothing other than the idea it was a good place to play, joined a club...played a whole club season...got picked for Otago...played a whole NPC season...got picked up by the Highlanders played a whole super season...that i respect
Exactly: show your wares, and progress through the levels.
One guy playing here in Sydney Subbies (when it was no amateur nearly a decade ago), was shown to the Brumbies as a talent, but they shrugged and said it'd take 2 years to get him up to speed just from the S&C point of view.
@nta and our super teams (and i think the aussie ones are similar) are trying to control their own stream of talent, so they have age grade teams...but then have almost no one to play....i just dont think that is better than just letting these young guys go out and pay 12 clubs games trying to earn a NPC contract and then another 10 npc games all before getting a look in at super level
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@nta and our super teams (and i think the aussie ones are similar) are trying to control their own stream of talent, so they have age grade teams...but then have almost no one to play....i just dont think that is better than just letting these young guys go out and pay 12 clubs games trying to earn a NPC contract and then another 10 npc games all before getting a look in at super level
@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@nta and our super teams (and i think the aussie ones are similar) are trying to control their own stream of talent, so they have age grade teams...but then have almost no one to play....i just dont think that is better than just letting these young guys go out and pay 12 clubs games trying to earn a NPC contract and then another 10 npc games all before getting a look in at super level
That won't work in the modern era because most good school programmes are more professional than a bunch of NPC ones. The pathways are well known and developed in New Zealand rugby for stars. It's school -> academy -> SR. For those that miss out they can still make their case shining in NPC and earning a SR contract.
It's hard to argue that central contracting hasn't been a success. It's the idea that the highest level of administration can dictate where a player can go and what position they'll play in that squad. That's an absurd level of micromanagement.
