All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@stodders I think this is what really stands out to me this year, under pressure the AB's cannot string phases together or build momentum. They often revert to miracle passes etc and often turn over the ball.
The forward and back interplay of Ireland today was a dream to watch, the ability to hold onto the ball, pass into space and gain metres was beautiful.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders I think this is what really stands out to me this year, under pressure the AB's cannot string phases together or build momentum. They often revert to miracle passes etc and often turn over the ball.
The forward and back interplay of Ireland today was a dream to watch, the ability to hold onto the ball, pass into space and gain metres was beautiful.
On today's evidence alone, the Irish forwards now have better ball handling skills than the ABs. Only, I don't buy it. NZ players still have the skills, but the mentality has to shift to doing core jobs. The ABs really do miss the Frank's brothers and Woodcock. They did so much clearing work at rucks it was unreal. The AB props need to be the piano shifters again. The balance just seems off in the pack especially. Too many players, not enough workhorses willing to do the dirty work.
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Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
Best part of our game was when we started taking it from the base and running direct. And funnily one of the better passages was when Reece was playing like a halfback!!
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders I think this is what really stands out to me this year, under pressure the AB's cannot string phases together or build momentum. They often revert to miracle passes etc and often turn over the ball.
The forward and back interplay of Ireland today was a dream to watch, the ability to hold onto the ball, pass into space and gain metres was beautiful.
On today's evidence alone, the Irish forwards now have better ball handling skills than the ABs. Only, I don't buy it. NZ players still have the skills, but the mentality has to shift to doing core jobs. The ABs really do miss the Frank's brothers and Woodcock. They did so much clearing work at rucks it was unreal. The AB props need to be the piano shifters again. The balance just seems off in the pack especially. Too many players, not enough workhorses willing to do the dirty work.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders definitely feels like too many ball players right now, not enough grafters
More players Like R Thorne, Blackadder Snr and T Randall then
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
Best part of our game was when we started taking it from the base and running direct. And funnily one of the better passages was when Reece was playing like a halfback!!
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
Best part of our game was when we started taking it from the base and running direct. And funnily one of the better passages was when Reece was playing like a halfback!!
He's really good around the ruck, I think there is a serious opportunity to use him in a roaming role.
But that would involve a significant mindset change. And us playing very narrow and tight.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders definitely feels like too many ball players right now, not enough grafters
More players Like R Thorne, Blackadder Snr and T Randall then
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders definitely feels like too many ball players right now, not enough grafters
More players Like R Thorne, Blackadder Snr and T Randall then
Ugh
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Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
ABs have developed their fitness program to produce players with explosive power, capable of busting the advantage line and freeing hands to support runners. It worked well in the past and allowed them to play close to the gain line to exploit their better decision making and handling skills.
That was then. Especially with the forwards. The powerful packs have ball players now too. The Bok and Irish packs can play and they can bludgeon.
NZ set the trend for the last 20 years. Like with any era, they come to an end. NZ needs to innovate again if they want to lead and dominate again.
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Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders definitely feels like too many ball players right now, not enough grafters
More players Like R Thorne, Blackadder Snr and T Randall then
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders definitely feels like too many ball players right now, not enough grafters
More players Like R Thorne, Blackadder Snr and T Randall then
Don't go too far. In fairness, Randall was a v good player. Wasted talent IMO. Reuben Thorne was a bit like Peter O'Mahoney is for Ireland. Dependable.
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Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
That's the tactics. NZ are scared to hold onto it. If they aren't making ground, it turns into a hot potato and it has to be kicked away. Which would be fine.if the defensive line was being used an offensive line to create turnover opportunities or force mistakes from which to transition into.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage
You either want Foster gone or embrace failure.This Star Wars, “you’re either with me or against me”, talk is really really funny.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage
You either want Foster gone or embrace failure.This Star Wars, “you’re either with me or against me”, talk is really really funny.
It's so funny! Look at all these chicken littles since 2015! Always saying that we're in decline and lack physical forwards! They even think Ireland are a threat! But we just keep on winning all the time so of course we appoint the same coaches and play the same tactics! HA HA HA HA HA All these panicking fools! I'm above it all!
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
Best part of our game was when we started taking it from the base and running direct. And funnily one of the better passages was when Reece was playing like a halfback!!
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Because one team played on the front foot, and one team went static ball to static ball.
Best part of our game was when we started taking it from the base and running direct. And funnily one of the better passages was when Reece was playing like a halfback!!
Mmm lions test 2, anybody?
That powder is so dry
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He's always just slagging everything NZ rugby off, but I agree for once with rattue
The chickens came home to roost in Dublin as the All Blacks' jobs-for-the-boys coaching system was exposed by an extraordinary Irish performance.
New Zealand Rugby's decision to re-appoint Ian Foster with indecent haste this year was turned into a horror show by the power and precision of the magnificent Irish stampede
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He's always just slagging everything NZ rugby off, but I agree for once with rattue
The chickens came home to roost in Dublin as the All Blacks' jobs-for-the-boys coaching system was exposed by an extraordinary Irish performance.
New Zealand Rugby's decision to re-appoint Ian Foster with indecent haste this year was turned into a horror show by the power and precision of the magnificent Irish stampede
@machpants he probably wrote 2 articles yesterday...that one and a slight variation where we actually won, but same points.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage
You either want Foster gone or embrace failure.This Star Wars, “you’re either with me or against me”, talk is really really funny.
It's so funny! Look at all these chicken littles since 2015! Always saying that we're in decline and lack physical forwards! They even think Ireland are a threat! But we just keep on winning all the time so of course we appoint the same coaches and play the same tactics! HA HA HA HA HA All these panicking fools! I'm above it all!
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
That's the tactics. NZ are scared to hold onto it. If they aren't making ground, it turns into a hot potato and it has to be kicked away. Which would be fine.if the defensive line was being used an offensive line to create turnover opportunities or force mistakes from which to transition into.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
That's the tactics. NZ are scared to hold onto it. If they aren't making ground, it turns into a hot potato and it has to be kicked away. Which would be fine.if the defensive line was being used an offensive line to create turnover opportunities or force mistakes from which to transition into.
If you aren't good at controlling the breakdown and recycling your possession you will be scared to hold onto the pill
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
And all so predictable. What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Call it confirmation bias, but Ardie doesn't hit rucks, so that leaves seven forwards. Our two props can't carry hard, so that leaves five. One of our locks is still coming up to speed after grafting away in Japan. Taukei’aho, probably the form hooker for physical impact, couldn't even make the bench.
There's talking the talk and there's walking the walk. Time to stop pandering to the playing group, stop talk about providing them opportunities to express themselves. They aren't good enough to take ownership with a leadership group and start dictating that a new era of being feared is among us. Time for Foster to call on his inner Fred Allen.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
And all so predictable. What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Call it confirmation bias, but Ardie doesn't hit rucks, so that leaves seven forwards. Our two props can't carry hard, so that leaves five. One of our locks is still coming up to speed after grafting away in Japan. Taukei’aho, probably the form hooker for physical impact, couldn't even make the bench.
There's talking the talk and there's walking the walk. Time to stop pandering to the playing group, stop talk about providing them opportunities to express themselves. They aren't good enough to take ownership with a leadership group and start dictating that a new era of being feared is among us. Time for Foster to call on his inner Fred Allen.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Plumtree is one of the 3 selectors so I'd say he gets exactly the forward pack he wants.
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There a couple of "first name on the team sheet" guys that don't deserve it
Two of them are in the front row
When an extraordinarily limited player like Scott Barrett would walk in to the current 2nd row then you know there's an issue
A Savea is a pretty player for easy daysHalf the fucking pack. Half. Damning.
Issues everywhere in the backs except the back 3, with 4 very good players. But no idea how to give them an opportunity.
Starts up front. Starts in the coaching box.
Actually, probably starts back at home. But that is a slightly more horrifying thought
