All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage
You either want Foster gone or embrace failure.This Star Wars, “you’re either with me or against me”, talk is really really funny.
It's so funny! Look at all these chicken littles since 2015! Always saying that we're in decline and lack physical forwards! They even think Ireland are a threat! But we just keep on winning all the time so of course we appoint the same coaches and play the same tactics! HA HA HA HA HA All these panicking fools! I'm above it all!
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
That's the tactics. NZ are scared to hold onto it. If they aren't making ground, it turns into a hot potato and it has to be kicked away. Which would be fine.if the defensive line was being used an offensive line to create turnover opportunities or force mistakes from which to transition into.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Getting hold of the ball and holding onto it would be a start
That's the tactics. NZ are scared to hold onto it. If they aren't making ground, it turns into a hot potato and it has to be kicked away. Which would be fine.if the defensive line was being used an offensive line to create turnover opportunities or force mistakes from which to transition into.
If you aren't good at controlling the breakdown and recycling your possession you will be scared to hold onto the pill
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
And all so predictable. What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Call it confirmation bias, but Ardie doesn't hit rucks, so that leaves seven forwards. Our two props can't carry hard, so that leaves five. One of our locks is still coming up to speed after grafting away in Japan. Taukei’aho, probably the form hooker for physical impact, couldn't even make the bench.
There's talking the talk and there's walking the walk. Time to stop pandering to the playing group, stop talk about providing them opportunities to express themselves. They aren't good enough to take ownership with a leadership group and start dictating that a new era of being feared is among us. Time for Foster to call on his inner Fred Allen.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For all the talk from Plummer about wanting to dominate in the forwards, we are picking a mobile pack over a ball running, physical pack, starting at eight. And obviously, I think Akira and Blackadder should be switched but if they give Akira a good 30mins we can get the impact we'll need from his defence.
So I worry out plan is to go wide too early still, we look a better side when we flood the breakdown and do a few pick and goes before using the pace out wide. We've not picked the team to play that way though.Having given this some thought, I can't see the tight five doing enough for this mobile loose forward trio. Sure they all work harder than an ugly stripper, but where's the physical impact to dominate collisions?
And all so predictable. What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Call it confirmation bias, but Ardie doesn't hit rucks, so that leaves seven forwards. Our two props can't carry hard, so that leaves five. One of our locks is still coming up to speed after grafting away in Japan. Taukei’aho, probably the form hooker for physical impact, couldn't even make the bench.
There's talking the talk and there's walking the walk. Time to stop pandering to the playing group, stop talk about providing them opportunities to express themselves. They aren't good enough to take ownership with a leadership group and start dictating that a new era of being feared is among us. Time for Foster to call on his inner Fred Allen.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What's Plummer's role again or does he not get to veto forward selections?
Plumtree is one of the 3 selectors so I'd say he gets exactly the forward pack he wants.
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There a couple of "first name on the team sheet" guys that don't deserve it
Two of them are in the front row
When an extraordinarily limited player like Scott Barrett would walk in to the current 2nd row then you know there's an issue
A Savea is a pretty player for easy daysHalf the fucking pack. Half. Damning.
Issues everywhere in the backs except the back 3, with 4 very good players. But no idea how to give them an opportunity.
Starts up front. Starts in the coaching box.
Actually, probably starts back at home. But that is a slightly more horrifying thought
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Still, for all the cathartic blood letting, it's great for world rugby that things appear to be evening out, and a test between two top sides is back to probably being a 60-40 proposition in the home teams favour
We're no better nor no worse than any other top side now, which is kind of exciting. Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
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Still, for all the cathartic blood letting, it's great for world rugby that things appear to be evening out, and a test between two top sides is back to probably being a 60-40 proposition in the home teams favour
We're no better nor no worse than any other top side now, which is kind of exciting. Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
Not going to happen with this coaching group. Out of ideas.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
Not going to happen with this coaching group. Out of ideas.
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
Not going to happen with this coaching group. Out of ideas.
Just this coaching group? Who would you replace them with if you could pick?
Foster needs to give Wayne Smith a call. The slide began when he left.
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@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Be very nice to see us working on rectifying that, instead of, as it appears, thinking it's 2015 still.
Not going to happen with this coaching group. Out of ideas.
Just this coaching group? Who would you replace them with if you could pick?
Foster needs to give Wayne Smith a call. The slide began when he left.
@stodders Wayne Smith would be great!
Defensive coach: as mentioned above, Mitchell or Schmidt
Forwards coach: Coventry or Jason Ryan and Scott Hansen
Attack Coach: Smith
Analyst: Robertson
Head Coach: Rennie (too late now)EDIT: Tony Brown does interesting things with his attack, especially off set-piece ball.
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@stodders Wayne Smith would be great!
Defensive coach: as mentioned above, Mitchell or Schmidt
Forwards coach: Coventry or Jason Ryan and Scott Hansen
Attack Coach: Smith
Analyst: Robertson
Head Coach: Rennie (too late now)EDIT: Tony Brown does interesting things with his attack, especially off set-piece ball.
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders Wayne Smith would be great!
Defensive coach: as mentioned above, Mitchell or Schmidt
Forwards coach: Coventry or Jason Ryan and Scott Hansen
Attack Coach: Smith
Analyst: Robertson
Head Coach: Rennie (too late now)I will aikido style flip you like I was Seagal in the late 80s if this ever happens.
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What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
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@tim agreed, but point is he is a 7, not an 8.
Tbf I think cane, Dalton and Blackadder are all 6.5s, need to be looking at specialists, not all rounders.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim agreed, but point is he is a 7, not an 8.
Tbf I think cane, Dalton and Blackadder are all 6.5s, need to be looking at specialists, not all rounders.
This is my problem too but I think peak Cane is fine at 7.
Really want Blackadder's work rate in the team but he doesn't quite seem as effective (or is that impactful?) as previous AB sixes.
And we are still unsure about 8. I'm not sure about Jacobson, he can still go missing. Sotutu can do great things but ..I still wish we had the opportunity to see Tom Robinson.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim agreed, but point is he is a 7, not an 8.
Tbf I think cane, Dalton and Blackadder are all 6.5s, need to be looking at specialists, not all rounders.
This is my problem too but I think peak Cane is fine at 7.
Really want Blackadder's work rate in the team but he doesn't quite seem as effective (or is that impactful?) as previous AB sixes.
And we are still unsure about 8. I'm not sure about Jacobson, he can still go missing. Sotutu can do great things but ..I still wish we had the opportunity to see Tom Robinson.
a plus: Christie and Weber played better than I thought they would..
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Did Moaar get the flick from the Crusaders? He really needs to earn his corn as the attacking patterns haven't been too hot against the top sides. A fair number of tries have been scored as a result of the ridiculous individual talent NZ possess still. At least you have that as a starting point.
Remember, it was only 2 years ago that NZ smashed Ireland 46-14. 2 years is a long time if the right decisions are made. Erasmus won a WC within 2 years.
Time for hard decisions like someone said above.
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What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
I can only speak of the Hurricanes region, but the selection of age grade players under Darren Larsen is abysmal. As long as he's there, you won't get the best age grade talent out of the region and some really good talent will be lost, unless they get a good chance at NPC level.
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Did Moaar get the flick from the Crusaders? He really needs to earn his corn as the attacking patterns haven't been too hot against the top sides. A fair number of tries have been scored as a result of the ridiculous individual talent NZ possess still. At least you have that as a starting point.
Remember, it was only 2 years ago that NZ smashed Ireland 46-14. 2 years is a long time if the right decisions are made. Erasmus won a WC within 2 years.
Time for hard decisions like someone said above.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Did Moaar get the flick from the Crusaders?
It was posted on here, by one of the Cantabs, that he was pushed, and that he and Robertson don't get along.
IIRC, he was an replacement for Leon MacDonald, who left unexpectedly.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
I can only speak of the Hurricanes region, but the selection of age grade players under Darren Larsen is abysmal. As long as he's there, you won't get the best age grade talent out of the region and some really good talent will be lost, unless they get a good chance at NPC level.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
I can only speak of the Hurricanes region, but the selection of age grade players under Darren Larsen is abysmal. As long as he's there, you won't get the best age grade talent out of the region and some really good talent will be lost, unless they get a good chance at NPC level.
Sounds like structural issues in NZ rugby. Talent identification is something that has kept you at the top. You need to get better at that again.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Did Moaar get the flick from the Crusaders?
It was posted on here, by one of the Cantabs, that he was pushed, and that he and Robertson don't get along.
IIRC, he was an replacement for Leon MacDonald, who left unexpectedly.
Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles. -
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
I can only speak of the Hurricanes region, but the selection of age grade players under Darren Larsen is abysmal. As long as he's there, you won't get the best age grade talent out of the region and some really good talent will be lost, unless they get a good chance at NPC level.
Sounds like structural issues in NZ rugby. Talent identification is something that has kept you at the top. You need to get better at that again.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
What does the NZ u20 team look like this year? The vintages haven't been too great in recent years (the one JWC win aside). Are there some promising players coming through the system?
I can only speak of the Hurricanes region, but the selection of age grade players under Darren Larsen is abysmal. As long as he's there, you won't get the best age grade talent out of the region and some really good talent will be lost, unless they get a good chance at NPC level.
Sounds like structural issues in NZ rugby. Talent identification is something that has kept you at the top. You need to get better at that again.
Crusaders do that still.
It is pretty clear to me how quickly impactful good coaches are though, at the Chiefs (Rennie and team), and at the Crusaders (changing from Blackadder to Robertson).
