All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
They play in a league designed to help weak teams (draft order particularly, salary pricing, no relegation). International rugby is very different.
About the only way they are similar is that both sets have protected home areas.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Good idea. I'll add that in the next day or two
I love how we can see the teamsheets at any time, and from old AB games. Stat geeks like me love that we can see that stuff here as my memory is terrible at the best of times. Thanks for all these improvements.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
True
Trying to be as hopeful as possible - maybe that 20mins is similar to the 1994 Bledisloe match. A shit AB coach stumbles on the correct tactics for the current players
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.The really frustrating thing is that in parts tonite - 40-60 mins - they were great. But once things started to go wrong, so many players seemed to fall apart and they weren't the newer players either.
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
Wonder? I think it's pretty certain.
The issue is why.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
That's brave of you!
I shall be watching through the gaps in my fingers, like an 8 year old with a scary movie.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
One nice thing about the review would be if they highlight the sliding doors part of that. If Mo'unga and Jordie make a 1% improvement in their chase there, that change probably doesn't happen.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
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I still think our players are good enough, I don't believe all of them have dropped thier bundle that quick.
But we are not getting the best out of them, we are playing people out of position, playing people before they are ready to come back.
Anyone who's played rugby knows there is no substitute for game fitness, and yet we roll these guys in expecting miracles.
This all sits with the coaching team.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
That is ugly, but the same thing (lots of easy tests) could arguably be leveled against others, which is why I used the total.
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Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
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Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
They didn't give up. Lesser teams would.
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Foster on Sky.
Intercept killed us. No. A shoddy first half did, and inability to think clearly,
Great occasion. Fuck the occasion!
is this a great advert for world rugby? "awesome to be part of it" Good on you Foster, but we need you to coach, not be a "part of it"
Ran out of energy at the end. Horseshit, you picked fresh guys that didn't play last week, you subbed. No excuse for that.
Always knew they'd play fast. Then counter it FFS
Disappointed that lineout drives hurt us. Then get better at defending this
Loved how we came back in third 1/4 - couldn't keep it going. Four quarter game Fozzie, Four quarter game.
"Can you change things around?" I'd love that, last two games big learning curve. What about the last five years? the SA game 2020, Argentina, Ireland. You're not learning shit. You remind me of my Year 13 students doing the same stupid stuff they did in Year 11. If they're not gunna learn, they're not gunna learn.Stop using the tour as an excuse. The Black Caps don't. Breakers didn't. Warriors didn't.
Jeff Wilson "AB's not on top of their game clearly"
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
I think a full strength Australia side is a good bit better than when we played them.
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Wales? Surely, 60+%?
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Foster on Sky.
Intercept killed us. No. A shoddy first half did, and inability to think clearly,
Great occasion. Fuck the occasion!
is this a great advert for world rugby? "awesome to be part of it" Good on you Foster, but we need you to coach, not be a "part of it"
Ran out of energy at the end. Horseshit, you picked fresh guys that didn't play last week, you subbed. No excuse for that.
Always knew they'd play fast. Then counter it FFS
Disappointed that lineout drives hurt us. Then get better at defending this
Loved how we came back in third 1/4 - couldn't keep it going. Four quarter game Fozzie, Four quarter game.
"Can you change things around?" I'd love that, last two games big learning curve. What about the last five years? the SA game 2020, Argentina, Ireland. You're not learning shit. You remind me of my Year 13 students doing the same stupid stuff they did in Year 11. If they're not gunna learn, they're not gunna learn.Stop using the tour as an excuse. The Black Caps don't. Breakers didn't. Warriors didn't.
Jeff Wilson "AB's not on top of their game clearly"
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
How much do we pay Jeff Wilson for his incisive observations?
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Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.
