All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.The really frustrating thing is that in parts tonite - 40-60 mins - they were great. But once things started to go wrong, so many players seemed to fall apart and they weren't the newer players either.
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.
Wonder? I think it's pretty certain.
The issue is why.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
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Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Haven’t seen the test and or read the thread, but congrats to France.
Tough year for the ABs. I look forward to 2022.
That's brave of you!
I shall be watching through the gaps in my fingers, like an 8 year old with a scary movie.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
One nice thing about the review would be if they highlight the sliding doors part of that. If Mo'unga and Jordie make a 1% improvement in their chase there, that change probably doesn't happen.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
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I still think our players are good enough, I don't believe all of them have dropped thier bundle that quick.
But we are not getting the best out of them, we are playing people out of position, playing people before they are ready to come back.
Anyone who's played rugby knows there is no substitute for game fitness, and yet we roll these guys in expecting miracles.
This all sits with the coaching team.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
That is ugly, but the same thing (lots of easy tests) could arguably be leveled against others, which is why I used the total.
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Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
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Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Highlights of match
Coles super pissed off with French intercept try
Sami playing like a no nonsense AB forward
Rieko getting serious and giving it heapsDupont a great not even smiling at the end Prob thinking about the next French improvement. Awesome player
Feel proud how ABs came back but a bit sad. Could be 2 years of pain
They didn't give up. Lesser teams would.
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Foster on Sky.
Intercept killed us. No. A shoddy first half did, and inability to think clearly,
Great occasion. Fuck the occasion!
is this a great advert for world rugby? "awesome to be part of it" Good on you Foster, but we need you to coach, not be a "part of it"
Ran out of energy at the end. Horseshit, you picked fresh guys that didn't play last week, you subbed. No excuse for that.
Always knew they'd play fast. Then counter it FFS
Disappointed that lineout drives hurt us. Then get better at defending this
Loved how we came back in third 1/4 - couldn't keep it going. Four quarter game Fozzie, Four quarter game.
"Can you change things around?" I'd love that, last two games big learning curve. What about the last five years? the SA game 2020, Argentina, Ireland. You're not learning shit. You remind me of my Year 13 students doing the same stupid stuff they did in Year 11. If they're not gunna learn, they're not gunna learn.Stop using the tour as an excuse. The Black Caps don't. Breakers didn't. Warriors didn't.
Jeff Wilson "AB's not on top of their game clearly"
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
I think a full strength Australia side is a good bit better than when we played them.
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Wales? Surely, 60+%?
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Foster on Sky.
Intercept killed us. No. A shoddy first half did, and inability to think clearly,
Great occasion. Fuck the occasion!
is this a great advert for world rugby? "awesome to be part of it" Good on you Foster, but we need you to coach, not be a "part of it"
Ran out of energy at the end. Horseshit, you picked fresh guys that didn't play last week, you subbed. No excuse for that.
Always knew they'd play fast. Then counter it FFS
Disappointed that lineout drives hurt us. Then get better at defending this
Loved how we came back in third 1/4 - couldn't keep it going. Four quarter game Fozzie, Four quarter game.
"Can you change things around?" I'd love that, last two games big learning curve. What about the last five years? the SA game 2020, Argentina, Ireland. You're not learning shit. You remind me of my Year 13 students doing the same stupid stuff they did in Year 11. If they're not gunna learn, they're not gunna learn.Stop using the tour as an excuse. The Black Caps don't. Breakers didn't. Warriors didn't.
Jeff Wilson "AB's not on top of their game clearly"
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
How much do we pay Jeff Wilson for his incisive observations?
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Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Thanks to @Duluth and @Kirwan (I guess) I can answer my own question but could we add an average at some stage?
Last five years = 76% win percentage
15 years before that = 86% win percentage
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
NB
That didn't include today's result.
Away during the last two years, we are 5/8 including losses to Oz, Ireland, and France. That's inflated by the fact we didn't play SA, but rather USA and Italy (and Wales is the other nation).
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@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
They did go off the boil. But then so did we.
Edit: bringing DH on to pass to the French when we had momentum was a masterstroke from the coaches, for example.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
They did go off the boil. But then so did we.
Edit: bringing DH on to pass to the French when we had momentum was a masterstroke from the coaches, for example.Words fail me.
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Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.
@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.
Technical advisor like the 2003 Blues?
