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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/i-couldnt-see-myself-ever-going-back-how-new-zealand-rugby-nearly-lost-its-next-big-star-to-the-nrl/

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    @Stargazer
    Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

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      @Stargazer
      Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

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      @mofitzy_ said in Good Rugby Reads:

      @Stargazer
      Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

      There's only so many places in SR and ITM squads, so heaps I'd imagine

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        @Stargazer
        Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

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        @mofitzy_ said in Good Rugby Reads:

        Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

        Here's a recent example:

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/123878200/nrl-top-kiwi-prospect-tuki-simpkins-joins-wests-tigers-after-player-switch

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          @mofitzy_ said in Good Rugby Reads:

          Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

          Here's a recent example:

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/123878200/nrl-top-kiwi-prospect-tuki-simpkins-joins-wests-tigers-after-player-switch

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          @Bovidae said in Good Rugby Reads:

          @mofitzy_ said in Good Rugby Reads:

          Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

          Here's a recent example:

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/123878200/nrl-top-kiwi-prospect-tuki-simpkins-joins-wests-tigers-after-player-switch

          TBF, going by that article he was a leaguie anyway.

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          • NepiaN Nepia

            @Bovidae said in Good Rugby Reads:

            @mofitzy_ said in Good Rugby Reads:

            Have to wonder how many high level school-aged players are lost to NRL and forgotten by most of the rugby community.

            Here's a recent example:

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/123878200/nrl-top-kiwi-prospect-tuki-simpkins-joins-wests-tigers-after-player-switch

            TBF, going by that article he was a leaguie anyway.

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            @Nepia said in Good Rugby Reads:

            TBF, going by that article he was a leaguie anyway.

            A lot of them play both codes at schoolboy level but not many traditional rugby schools have a RL team.

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              Why Sid Going was one of the most unique players to play for the All Blacks

              https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/08/01/why-sid-going-was-one-of-the-most-unique-players-to-play-for-the-all-blacks/

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              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                Why Sid Going was one of the most unique players to play for the All Blacks

                https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/08/01/why-sid-going-was-one-of-the-most-unique-players-to-play-for-the-all-blacks/

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                @taniwharugby I'd love to see video of that famous triple scissors again.
                Not sure if it would work against modern defences but you never know. HIstory is often forgotten by coaches wanting to do the next new thing when the old thing could be better.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  Why Sid Going was one of the most unique players to play for the All Blacks

                  https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/08/01/why-sid-going-was-one-of-the-most-unique-players-to-play-for-the-all-blacks/

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                  @taniwharugby

                  Great article. But have to take issue with the author saying Sid's passing game (or lack of it) didn't matter as the AB backs were a bit crap back then. Players like Bruce Robinson, Bryan Williams, Grant Batty, Joe Karam, Ian McRae, Bill Osborne etc were pretty damn good.

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    @taniwharugby

                    Great article. But have to take issue with the author saying Sid's passing game (or lack of it) didn't matter as the AB backs were a bit crap back then. Players like Bruce Robinson, Bryan Williams, Grant Batty, Joe Karam, Ian McRae, Bill Osborne etc were pretty damn good.

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                    @victor-meldrew largely before my time, but I was wondering about that.

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                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300457750/most-unfortunate-match-ever-played-when-the-mori-played-the-springboks-a-century-ago-racism-flared

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                        Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

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                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                          Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

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                          @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                          Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                          It's interesting to hear Wayne Smith is another advocate of Jordie Barrett being played at 12, Razor had much the same reasoning when he shared his views on the radio a few months ago, like Wayne, believes Jordie's physical attributes would be better utilized at second-five.

                          "There are people who are saying that Richie Mo’unga is struggling to step up to international level. But when New Zealand came back from the Autumn tour, Scott Robertson heavily implied that the All Blacks weren't playing to the strengths of their players."

                          Ain't that the truth...

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                          • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                            @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                            Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                            It's interesting to hear Wayne Smith is another advocate of Jordie Barrett being played at 12, Razor had much the same reasoning when he shared his views on the radio a few months ago, like Wayne, believes Jordie's physical attributes would be better utilized at second-five.

                            "There are people who are saying that Richie Mo’unga is struggling to step up to international level. But when New Zealand came back from the Autumn tour, Scott Robertson heavily implied that the All Blacks weren't playing to the strengths of their players."

                            Ain't that the truth...

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                            @kiwi_expat said in Good Rugby Reads:

                            @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                            Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                            It's interesting to hear Wayne Smith is another advocate of Jordie Barrett being played at 12, Razor had much the same reasoning when he shared his views on the radio a few months ago, like Wayne, believes Jordie's physical attributes would be better utilized at second-five.

                            "There are people who are saying that Richie Mo’unga is struggling to step up to international level. But when New Zealand came back from the Autumn tour, Scott Robertson heavily implied that the All Blacks weren't playing to the strengths of their players."

                            Ain't that the truth...

                            The gameplan did us well from 2010 to 2016, no reason to change it

                            Fozzie, 2022

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                            • StargazerS Stargazer

                              Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

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                              @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                              Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                              That is a very good read - a lot of very interesting stuff - it's pretty much a transcript, so people who refuse to read Reason should be able to read this, because the substantive stuff is from Smith.

                              I didn't know all that stuff about his early time at the Chiefs.

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                                @kiwi_expat said in Good Rugby Reads:

                                @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                                Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                                It's interesting to hear Wayne Smith is another advocate of Jordie Barrett being played at 12, Razor had much the same reasoning when he shared his views on the radio a few months ago, like Wayne, believes Jordie's physical attributes would be better utilized at second-five.

                                "There are people who are saying that Richie Mo’unga is struggling to step up to international level. But when New Zealand came back from the Autumn tour, Scott Robertson heavily implied that the All Blacks weren't playing to the strengths of their players."

                                Ain't that the truth...

                                The gameplan did us well from 2010 to 2016, no reason to change it

                                Fozzie, 2022

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @stargazer said in Good Rugby Reads:

                                  Surprised that Mark Treason can also write good articles, but this interview with Wayne Smith is a very good read!

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300520549/wayne-smith-on-the-all-blacks-the-barrett-brothers-and-who-will-win-the-next-world-cup

                                  That is a very good read - a lot of very interesting stuff - it's pretty much a transcript, so people who refuse to read Reason should be able to read this, because the substantive stuff is from Smith.

                                  I didn't know all that stuff about his early time at the Chiefs.

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                                  @chris-b said in Good Rugby Reads:

                                  That is a very good read - a lot of very interesting stuff - it's pretty much a transcript, so people who refuse to read Reason should be able to read this, because the substantive stuff is from Smith.

                                  I had read the article in the newspaper but that wasn't the full interview. Some of the best parts were omitted. Like...

                                  I didn't know all that stuff about his early time at the Chiefs.

                                  Yeah, some of that was news to me too. I am familiar with the facilities and the flooding that used to plague the training field.

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                                    Big bump.

                                    I read this in the physical Weekend newspaper supplement but here is the same article online. It's an extract from Smithy, Wayne Smith's new memoir.

                                    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/wellbeing/350085890/misunderstanding-named-sir-wayne-smith-black-ferns-coach

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