All Blacks 2021
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
was astonished by Savea there. He's outstanding, but just doesn't seem to fit our mix of loosies.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
was astonished by Savea there. He's outstanding, but just doesn't seem to fit our mix of loosies.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
His height. He stands out.......
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
he doesn't hit hard in the tackle, he can't clean a ruck to save himself (on either side of the ball) nor does he really like too, our turnover stats say he isn't good on teh ground either. And this guy is supposed to be a #8?
So he's an obvious athlete and is pretty good after contact. That's it?
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
he doesn't hit hard in the tackle, he can't clean a ruck to save himself (on either side of the ball) nor does he really like too, our turnover stats say he isn't good on teh ground either. And this guy is supposed to be a #8?
So he's an obvious athlete and is pretty good after contact. That's it?
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
but the highlights reel!
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Back row in particular can't work in isolation ie, the three need to be complimentary. Put a Cane/Papali'i and then a Kaino type 6 with Savea and my bet is there would be no arguments about Savea's merits.
I've come to the conclusion Savea and Akira can't play in the same backrow, puts too much pressure on our openside to do the grunt work
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Moody 2024?!
He’s already showing signs of a downward slide.
We need tanks that can scrum AND cart the ball up strong.Probably a bit unfair as the other way to look at it is that it's great not to lose his experience overseas and he can help the young bucks. I just hope he doesn't become a roadblock.
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Moody 2024?!
He’s already showing signs of a downward slide.
We need tanks that can scrum AND cart the ball up strong.Probably a bit unfair as the other way to look at it is that it's great not to lose his experience overseas and he can help the young bucks. I just hope he doesn't become a roadblock.
@crucial TBF he did have the injury, so maybe that had an effect on his game, next year will be the key for him to see if he can wind back the clock.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
On the other hand many lament the experience drain when older All Blacks are lost overseas. I am happy for the likes of Moody to.hang around NZ and pass on their knowledge.
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Ardie shows you don't have to have an agent to get yourself the sort of deal you want
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
Moody has done well to get an extra year as most contracts seem to be linked to the RWC cycles now.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
Moody has done well to get an extra year as most contracts seem to be linked to the RWC cycles now.
That is player choice, not union. Getting a year after rwc is good for union as means at least one more experienced player stats around, rather than mass Exodus after cup
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Given the depth in our props I'm not sure why Moody got a contract beyond 2023?
Should have used the $$ to develop Bower, Big Mike, De Groot, Hodgman who are all in their late 20's.
