All Blacks 2021
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Given the depth in our props I'm not sure why Moody got a contract beyond 2023?
Should have used the $$ to develop Bower, Big Mike, De Groot, Hodgman who are all in their late 20's.
This is a hard one, as we want to keep him, but is tricky because it sort of reminds of the situation when we re-signed Franks, who was pretty clearly not going to be good enough for 2019 when we could have tried to keep Charlie.
Their ages were the same I think, so it's not quite the same (edit, and Moody might be able to stay in WC shape), but I hope this doesn't lead to us losing someone like Hodgman, who should currently be there over Bower anyway, but could bolt now that he sees the writing on the wall with Moody's long contract.
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Moody 2024?!
He’s already showing signs of a downward slide.
We need tanks that can scrum AND cart the ball up strong.Probably a bit unfair as the other way to look at it is that it's great not to lose his experience overseas and he can help the young bucks. I just hope he doesn't become a roadblock.
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
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@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
The systems don’t stop him tackling hard or putting some leg drive into his carries though.
I will give him some benefit of doubt from a disrupted season but he appears on the slide -
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
He might be fine at lower levels but no longer up to test standard. Happens to the best.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
He might be fine at lower levels but no longer up to test standard. Happens to the best.
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I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.
That really applies to the entire team when we play the boks and in the NH tour next year. I would imagine Ireland will be fucked when they come here on torr, their teams will be played to death in the not Heineken cup etc. But still we'll have to hit the ground running to avoid another awful addition to Foster's CV of failures
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Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.
1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Fainga’anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.
Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.
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Crazy that I could, i fact we ask could, pretty much name the line up for 2013. A few blips and injuries aside they then went on and smashed the RWC. No idea will be in 2023, with Foster's fading players and faffing with positions, it's a lottery. The all blacks are so like Australia, fiddling around with positions and favourites when it's really a total tactical rethink required
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.
The systems don’t stop him tackling hard or putting some leg drive into his carries though.
I will give him some benefit of doubt from a disrupted season but he appears on the slide@crucial The whole AB forward pack is on the slide then. Somehow since the start of 2020 (arguably much earlier), all the AB tight forwards individually started to decline as players.
Ofa, Whitelock, Taylor, Lualala, Brodie, Moody, Coles....
Poor ole Foster must be a very unlucky coach to have all these players sliding at the same time .....The weird thing is that they are fine in their Super teams but sliding at the international level.........
Poor old Foster had the same problem at the Chiefs. Luckily for Rennie, the players stopped their sliding. -
Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.
1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Fainga’anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.
Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.
1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Fainga’anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.
Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.
I'm trying to work out which drawven (Hobbit-era) beard Moody is going for and I'm putting my money on the oldest one. Balin.
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On this day, 11 December 2019:
'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that line aged brilliantly.
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On this day, 11 December 2019:
'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that line aged brilliantly.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
On this day, 11 December 2019:
'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that aged brilliantly.
I see him in a new, even worse, light
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Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..
And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.
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Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..
And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.
@kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!
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Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..
And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
Also, love that video segment where he mentions his desire to show that he is 'innovative'...
...well to be fair, being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.
Also highest score against us at half time, full time (different match), biggest loss to Oz, first loss in Paris to France for ages, etc there's a lot of things new or new for the professional era that he's 'achieved'
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@kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!
innovating by failing upwards, Fozzie's playing the long con by getting this team to peak in 2 years time.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!
innovating by failing upwards, Fozzie's playing the long con by getting this team to peak in 2 years time.
@kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach
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@kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach
It's just like Hansen repeatedly assured us while we were looking like a structureless rabble throughout the 2018, then 2019 seasons, "judge us by the world cup" he repeatedly told the public, as those record losses to Australia & Ireland were all part of the grand master-plan, after all...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach
It's just like Hansen repeatedly assured us while we were looking like a structureless rabble throughout the 2018, then 2019 seasons, "judge us by the world cup" he repeatedly told the public, as those record losses to Australia & Ireland were all part of the grand master-plan, after all...
