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  • O Old Samurai Jack

    @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

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    @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

    @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

    The systems donโ€™t stop him tackling hard or putting some leg drive into his carries though.
    I will give him some benefit of doubt from a disrupted season but he appears on the slide

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    • O Old Samurai Jack

      @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

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      @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

      @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

      He might be fine at lower levels but no longer up to test standard. Happens to the best.

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      • KirwanK Kirwan

        @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

        @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

        He might be fine at lower levels but no longer up to test standard. Happens to the best.

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        @kirwan Also was clearly on the slide in 2019. That's three seasons now.

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          I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.

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            @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

            I'll cut Moody some slack as he had that foot injury which meant a long layoff. The same applies to Ofa. No excuses for either in 2022. They need to perform like senior AB props.

            That really applies to the entire team when we play the boks and in the NH tour next year. I would imagine Ireland will be fucked when they come here on torr, their teams will be played to death in the not Heineken cup etc. But still we'll have to hit the ground running to avoid another awful addition to Foster's CV of failures

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              Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.

              1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Faingaโ€™anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.

              Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300475398/all-blacks-veterans-give-ian-foster-full-deck-but-loyalty-could-be-tested

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                Crazy that I could, i fact we ask could, pretty much name the line up for 2013. A few blips and injuries aside they then went on and smashed the RWC. No idea will be in 2023, with Foster's fading players and faffing with positions, it's a lottery. The all blacks are so like Australia, fiddling around with positions and favourites when it's really a total tactical rethink required

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                • CrucialC Crucial

                  @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @crucial Nah, he is fine in the Crusaders. I still maintain it is more about the AB system than the players.

                  The systems donโ€™t stop him tackling hard or putting some leg drive into his carries though.
                  I will give him some benefit of doubt from a disrupted season but he appears on the slide

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                  @crucial The whole AB forward pack is on the slide then. Somehow since the start of 2020 (arguably much earlier), all the AB tight forwards individually started to decline as players.
                  Ofa, Whitelock, Taylor, Lualala, Brodie, Moody, Coles....
                  Poor ole Foster must be a very unlucky coach to have all these players sliding at the same time .....The weird thing is that they are fine in their Super teams but sliding at the international level.........
                  Poor old Foster had the same problem at the Chiefs. Luckily for Rennie, the players stopped their sliding.

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                  • BovidaeB Bovidae

                    Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.

                    1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Faingaโ€™anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.

                    Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.

                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300475398/all-blacks-veterans-give-ian-foster-full-deck-but-loyalty-could-be-tested

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                    @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Knowler gets his crystal ball out for a potential AB team at the 2023 RWC.

                    1 Joe Moody, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 4 Brodie Retallick, 5 Scott Barrett, 6 Luke Jacobson, 7 Sam Cane (captain), 8 Ardie Savea, 9 Aaron Smith, 10 Beauden Barrett, 11 Leicester Faingaโ€™anuku, 12 Jack Goodhue, 13 Rieko Ioane, 14 Will Jordan, 15 Jordie Barrett.

                    Not the team I would be selecting but he'll generate some clicks.

                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300475398/all-blacks-veterans-give-ian-foster-full-deck-but-loyalty-could-be-tested

                    I'm trying to work out which drawven (Hobbit-era) beard Moody is going for and I'm putting my money on the oldest one. Balin.

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                      On this day, 11 December 2019:

                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-im-incredibly-proud-ian-foster-appointed-new-head-coach-of-the-all-blacks/QADCFUPIHVPZTSC2Q67Y4YDLRU/

                      'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that line aged brilliantly.

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                      • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                        On this day, 11 December 2019:

                        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-im-incredibly-proud-ian-foster-appointed-new-head-coach-of-the-all-blacks/QADCFUPIHVPZTSC2Q67Y4YDLRU/

                        'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that line aged brilliantly.

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                        @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                        On this day, 11 December 2019:

                        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-im-incredibly-proud-ian-foster-appointed-new-head-coach-of-the-all-blacks/QADCFUPIHVPZTSC2Q67Y4YDLRU/

                        'Now it's time for you to see me in a new light' - that aged brilliantly.

                        I see him in a new, even worse, light

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                          Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                          And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

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                          • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                            Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                            And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

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                            @kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!

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                            • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                              Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                              And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

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                              @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Also, love that video segment where he mentions his desire to show that he is 'innovative'...

                              ...well to be fair, being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

                              Also highest score against us at half time, full time (different match), biggest loss to Oz, first loss in Paris to France for ages, etc there's a lot of things new or new for the professional era that he's 'achieved'

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                              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                @kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!

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                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!

                                innovating by failing upwards, Fozzie's playing the long con by getting this team to peak in 2 years time.

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                                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @kiwi_expat RWC 2023 bro, thats when the innovation will shine and show us all to be fools dithering over 2-3 losses per year!

                                  innovating by failing upwards, Fozzie's playing the long con by getting this team to peak in 2 years time.

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                                  @kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                    @kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                    It's just like Hansen repeatedly assured us while we were looking like a structureless rabble throughout the 2018, then 2019 seasons, "judge us by the world cup" he repeatedly told the public, as those record losses to Australia & Ireland were all part of the grand master-plan, after all...

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                                    • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwi_expat isnt that what we want, a forward thinking coach ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                      It's just like Hansen repeatedly assured us while we were looking like a structureless rabble throughout the 2018, then 2019 seasons, "judge us by the world cup" he repeatedly told the public, as those record losses to Australia & Ireland were all part of the grand master-plan, after all...

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                                      @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      judge us by the 2023 world cup result

                                      He forgot the year

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                                      • kiwi_expatK kiwi_expat

                                        Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                                        And to be fair to him.. being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

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                                        @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                                        And to be fair to him... being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

                                        I think the worst thing he claimed, and didn't deliver on, was the commitment to physicality in the forwards.

                                        He correctly identified the issue, then failed completely to bring along/select the right players to address the problem

                                        We have played powder puff (copyright Walrus) rugby all year.

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                                          @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                                          And to be fair to him... being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

                                          I think the worst thing he claimed, and didn't deliver on, was the commitment to physicality in the forwards.

                                          He correctly identified the issue, then failed completely to bring along/select the right players to address the problem

                                          We have played powder puff (copyright Walrus) rugby all year.

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                                          @voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Also, I remember a video segment from RNZ where he mentions his desire to quote 'show that he is 'innovative'..

                                          And to be fair to him... being the first AB coach to lose to Argentina, was a ground-breaking achievement for Foz.

                                          I think the worst thing he claimed, and didn't deliver on, was the commitment to physicality in the forwards.

                                          He correctly identified the issue, then failed completely to bring along/select the right players to address the problem

                                          We have played powder puff (copyright Walrus) rugby all year.

                                          Go to 55 seconds, he pretty much addresses this, and even gets pressed further by Campbell about it.

                                          Mortifying to watch now after what's since transpired under Fozzie, he hasn't fulfilled these points to any degree.

                                          Watching this right now it's apparent he's completely & utterly out of his depth as an international coach & is simply clueless with regards to the best course of action that should be required for this team going forward.

                                          Just words alone cannot describe the inadequacy on display here.

                                          How is this level of incompetence acceptable for the NZR?

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