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@majorrage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Chalk the herald up as woke. Clear hatchet job on Rowling here.
Who most ppl agree with.
Why JK Rowling was snubbed from Harry Potter reunion
Author JK Rowling is a notable omission from the Harry Potter reunion.
A little under the weather but shall try and read in the a.m. when can see straight
But I suspect the gist is that along the "anyone who queries trans opinion is evil" dogma?
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@booboo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
But I suspect the gist is that along the "anyone who queries trans opinion is evil" dogma?
The "case" against J K Rowling seems to be her view that a person can't determine their biological sex. Which is an utterly repugnant, hateful view according to some. In the real world she is, of course, right.
Sam, a 32-year-old man, was brought to the emergency department by his boyfriend. Sam reported an 8-hour history of severe (8 out of 10), intermittent lower abdominal pain. In triage, he had a blood pressure of 185/84 mm Hg and a heart rate of 67 beats per minute. The triage nurse noted that he was an obese man who appeared comfortable between bouts of pain. Sam told the nurse that he was a transgender man. His electronic medical record (EMR) indicated that he was male. ----Bedside ultrasonography was performed, confirming an advanced pregnancy with unclear presence of fetal cardiac activity. Sam was rapidly counseled regarding the findings and the need for an emergency caesarean delivery. He consented and was transferred to the operating room for further evaluation. In the operating room, no fetal heartbeat could be detected on ultrasound. Given the fetal death, Sam was transferred to a delivery suite where, moments later, he delivered a stillborn baby. -
@majorrage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Chalk the herald up as woke. Clear hatchet job on Rowling here.
Who most ppl agree with.
Why JK Rowling was snubbed from Harry Potter reunion
Author JK Rowling is a notable omission from the Harry Potter reunion.
Actually wasn't as bad as I thought. A couple of comments suggest how readers should feel.
I keep reading what she has written and tweeted and I just can't see anything I disagree with.
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Isnt the bigger point here, that it simply doesn't matter if people agree or disagree with what she says and thinks? Surely she has the right to her opinion, and cancelling her because a few or the majority disagree with that opinion, is just wrong in a liberal society.
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@voodoo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Isnt the bigger point here, that it simply doesn't matter if people agree or disagree with what she says and thinks? Surely she has the right to her opinion, and cancelling her because a few or the majority disagree with that opinion, is just wrong in a liberal society.
No the problem is that some, including the main cast, deem her comments as anti-trans & therefore transphobic which is unacceptable.
It’s insane. The cast can piss right off. All of them are nothing without her. Millions can act. One one person has written HP.
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I'm at the point now where I think "gender identity" is just a made up term for narcissists to give their personalities a name. It's just not a real thing.
There's a (very) small number of people who experience gender dysphoria which is a serious mental health issue. Outside of that there are males and females that display various masculine and feminine traits, and the more narcissistic of them have decided they don't fit into fiercely stereotypical definitions of male and female so have made up a new "gender identity" for themselves.
Your personality is influenced by, but not determined by your biological sex. That's really all there is to it.
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@no-quarter Gender identity is hardly a new thing, even? ... gender labels on a binary spectrum have existed at least since the Lesbian movement of the 60-70s e.g. from "High Femme" to "Stone Butch" (fwiw Gender Theory as an academic field of study is still rooted in the feminist movement I believe)
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Fyi as no-one has posted about the trans swimmer, Lia Thomas, in the US. Reasonable summary here?
Lia Thomas (US trans women, swimmer) breaking women's college records
Not sure in NZ (anyone know ... ??) but in the UK sport is an area specifically excluded from human rights legislation for trans people (legally the protected characteristic here is termed gender reassignment). Fairness is seen as the over-riding principle in sport ... hard to disagree
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@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Fyi as no-one has posted about the trans swimmer, Lia Thomas, in the US. Reasonable summary here?
Lia Thomas (US trans women, swimmer) breaking women's college records
Not sure in NZ (anyone know ... ??) but in the UK sport is an area specifically excluded from human rights legislation for trans people (legally the protected characteristic here is termed gender reassignment). Fairness is seen as the over-riding principle in sport ... hard to disagree
Nice one Booboo. It's further back in this thread
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@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
I like the term Futch. It seems almost onomatopoeiac.
Do I now go to Sapphic hell?
I just looked up Sapphic hell in the dictionary. Hannah Gadsby’s picture is beside it.
Edit. To be clear, I don’t care that she or anyone else is lesbian. I just don’t like her “comedy”
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@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@no-quarter Gender identity is hardly a new thing, even? ... gender labels on a binary spectrum have existed at least since the Lesbian movement of the 60-70s e.g. from "High Femme" to "Stone Butch" (fwiw Gender Theory as an academic field of study is still rooted in the feminist movement I believe)
Well yeah, all men and women display various masculine and feminine traits. Some of those traits are more typical among males, others more typical among females, but there is lots of overlap between the sexes. Hence your personality being influenced by, but not determined by your sex.
All the trans movement does is put all of the focus on whether you display typically male or female traits, when that shouldn't matter. We should be moving towards a society that doesn't judge people based on those traits, but we are going in the opposite direction. And what is beyond the pale is telling gender atypical kids that they are actually the opposite sex, which is a completely fucking bonkers thing to say to a child.
I maintain that all of these new "gender identities" are just made up nonsense (non-binary? Sorry what?) for people that want to feel special/unique.
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@jc said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
I like the term Futch. It seems almost onomatopoeiac.
Do I now go to Sapphic hell?
I just looked up Sapphic hell in the dictionary. Hannah Gadsby’s picture is beside it.
Edit. To be clear, I don’t care that she or anyone else is lesbian. I just don’t like her “comedy”
Nice try but I not going to google her image, nor watch any of her comedy on you tube. I shall watch some other related stuff.
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@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@no-quarter Gender identity is hardly a new thing, even? ... gender labels on a binary spectrum have existed at least since the Lesbian movement of the 60-70s e.g. from "High Femme" to "Stone Butch" (fwiw Gender Theory as an academic field of study is still rooted in the feminist movement I believe)
Well that infographic isn't ridiculous at all.
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@no-quarter said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@no-quarter Gender identity is hardly a new thing, even? ... gender labels on a binary spectrum have existed at least since the Lesbian movement of the 60-70s e.g. from "High Femme" to "Stone Butch" (fwiw Gender Theory as an academic field of study is still rooted in the feminist movement I believe)
Well yeah, all men and women display various masculine and feminine traits. Some of those traits are more typical among males, others more typical among females, but there is lots of overlap between the sexes. Hence your personality being influenced by, but not determined by your sex.
All the trans movement does is put all of the focus on whether you display typically male or female traits, when that shouldn't matter. We should be moving towards a society that doesn't judge people based on those traits, but we are going in the opposite direction. And what is beyond the pale is telling gender atypical kids that they are actually the opposite sex, which is a completely fucking bonkers thing to say to a child.
I maintain that all of these new "gender identities" are just made up nonsense (non-binary? Sorry what?) for people that want to feel special/unique.
I see the (very) detailed identities of non-binary (or Lesbian for that matter) people as being more for the LGBTQ+ community, so it doesn't worry me that much
The only impact I see personaly (what am I missing? - are there others?) is the sometimes unintelligible pronouns gaining fashion, which I'll use out of politeness if I know what they are
This exact same discussion and marginalisation occured at the time of the lesbian butch/femme identities later (mainly in the 1980s, I think) but mainly within the feminist movement - i.e. as a society we should be aiming to remove rather than reinforce our gender stereotypes ... no disagreement from me that it shouldn't matter
Practically on gender, there's a huge tension and balance needed between counselling/talking therapy that is "affirmative" vs. a "safe space for exploration" ... it's playing out in the UK in a legislative consultation on making conversion therapy illegal (sexuality and gender-identy) in the UK. Will be interesting to see how this plays out over here in the next few months!!
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@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@no-quarter Gender identity is hardly a new thing, even? ... gender labels on a binary spectrum have existed at least since the Lesbian movement of the 60-70s e.g. from "High Femme" to "Stone Butch" (fwiw Gender Theory as an academic field of study is still rooted in the feminist movement I believe)
Well that infographic isn't ridiculous at all.
Why "ridiculous"? It's an example of LGBTQ language specific to lesbians from the '60s onwards ... and the world didn't stop turning because around then they started inventing detailed terms for lesbian identities back then? And yes for sure, it DID also generate similar moral outrage for a period of time too ...
"Stone butch lesbian" identifies both sex and core sexuality (lesbian) and gender expression/further details on sexuality (stone butch). It serves the exact same purpose as someone T-Q who chooses to identify as (say) a "pansexual demifluidfluxgirl"
I don't see how "we" as a wider society can or imho should police how LGBTQ identity language evolves over time ... even if we wanted to or were able to (we can't). Language isn't owned, if a minority really feel they need this kind of detail to identify or describe attraction, not for me to judge unless it really affects me
However my main point was that it's simply not a new thing
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@L_n_P I certainly don't police other people's language, but I also don't have to take it seriously either. When it comes to gender/sex the only meaningful distinction I am interested in is male and female, as we (rightly) have laws that offer increased protection to females in various areas of society, and in the sporting world females are given a chance to compete by excluding biological males otherwise it is simply not fair. Both of those aspects are under attack from the modern day trans movement so people are rightly pushing back against it, and it has nothing to do with a so called "moral panic".
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
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