All Blacks 2021
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
is record is probably not as good as Fosters even
What? You have seen Ireland have their best period of rugby, ever, including first victories over ABs under his lead? His record is opposite ends of the spectrum to fossie - with his record 'highest ever losing score in SR final' 'highest ever losing score for ABs' 'Worst AB result vs Oz' 'first ever loss to Arg' (and he was part of the team that lost for the first time to Ireland), 'first loss to France in NH tour for 40 years+' etc etc
Are you taking the mickey? Look at Ireland since 2019. Maybe Ireland's 19-12 loss to Japan was an aberration, the 46-14 loss to New Zealand was another aberration, and the hiding by Wales in 6 Nations with the trophy in sight, and 4 consecutive losses to England meant nothing as they were just local affairs.
It is all about the 39-31 thrashing of Japan after the unlucky loss. Just as well they had Italy to beat in 6N this year after the losses to Wales and France and lucky escape against Scotland.
Maybe someone showed you a highlights reel of the Argentina match after the win over NZ. A marginal forward under the sticks seems to have turned winners into dunces and vice versa.
NZ had the best win ratio of all teams this year- 5 more matches than Ireland.
Mate I not saying anyone is bad or good, just suggesting we have to use same measuring stick. Saying Irelands loss to Japan was an aberration, they then got beaten quite convincinly by ABs. But I not knocking Schmidt, just saying when teams he coaches lose againt Argentina and Japan is an aberration and another coach's team who is not destroys arguments.
We have the same thing with Gatland who get's rubbished because of so called Warrenball ( which was really playing to team's strengths) etc etc. Schmidt while he was coaching Ireland was copping a heap of shit too (sames reason, playing to strengths)for their 10 man rugby, on rugby forums etc everywhere, but that is forgotten now.
Mate one thing I know it really doesn't matter who is coach, there will be people who really don't know any better will rubbish them.
I know a few who cringe at the thought of Razor being coach, and they point to his only real international experience with NZ U20s, he won one WC and then coached them to 5th place in next one. Once again they cherry picking results to suit their argument!
We wnet through same thing after 2007 WC with Deans vs Henry etc, and then Deans first game in charge Wallabies beat ABs, all the Deans brigade were screaming see see, and went awful quite when Wallabies then turned to custard!
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.
That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.
Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment. -
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.
I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.
I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.
I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.
You may see it that way ,I don't rate Laumape and thought his petulant behaviour was BS in his last season
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.
That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.
Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.
That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.
Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.
Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
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@dan54 All I am saying is that all teams have their ups and downs - including Ireland - and there is a competitive playing field amongst the top 10 or so, where anyone can win or lose on a day, particularly when there are factors affecting the squad. I just don't like to see good coaches and teams absolutely rubbished. Joe Schmidt is very good, and prepares his team very well. But, he was also under the gun too for those bad results. Does not make him a bad coach. Would be nice if NZ can combine the talents of Schmidt, Foster and Robertson in preparing for RWC and what it throws at the squad.
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 All I am saying is that all teams have their ups and downs - including Ireland - and there is a competitive playing field amongst the top 10 or so, where anyone can win or lose on a day, particularly when there are factors affecting the squad. I just don't like to see good coaches and teams absolutely rubbished. Joe Schmidt is very good, and prepares his team very well. But, he was also under the gun too for those bad results. Does not make him a bad coach. Would be nice if NZ can combine the talents of Schmidt, Foster and Robertson in preparing for RWC and what it throws at the squad.
I couldn't agree more , I said I a fan of Schmidt, hell as I have pointed out I real keen on him, Rennie and Joseph to name a few, all I say judge all the coaches the same. Schmidt has become man of moment on forums because he has joined the selection panel, something Foster tried to arrange when he got the gig, but he was not wanting much to do with test rugby, why he said he didn't apply for AB coaching job. Did we have this much screaming for Schmidt last year?
I would feel better about Razor if he was in ABs (or somewhere) getting some International experience. He has said as much himself when he tried to get a gig helping Gatland with Lions, said he felt he could learn a lot. -
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
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@kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.
He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.
He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence
Disagree... also tell me a midfielder we have in the AB squad that puts the opposition in two minds ? they're lucky if they put them in half a mind
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.
He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence
Disagree... also tell me a midfielder we have in the AB squad that puts the opposition in two minds ? they're lucky if they put them in half a mind
@kiwibloke if I was marking him, I'd not be in 2 minds, I just have to make sure I was in a position to try and tackle him when he ran it at me, most of the time...
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.
hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.
That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.
Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.
Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.
That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.
Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.
Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,
Ah right, I guess I misread your intention of that part. All good.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.
hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.
hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.
Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.
Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.
hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.
Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.
Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...
That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape
You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?
Dont agree that he read the game well at all.
Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.
What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.
Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.
HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.
Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.
Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.
That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.
You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.
As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.
Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.
hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.
Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.
Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.
Fair points mate.
