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  • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

    the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

    That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

    You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

    Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

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    wrote on last edited by
    #2672

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

    the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

    That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

    You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

    Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

    Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

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    • ChrisC Chris

      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

      the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

      That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

      You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

      Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

      Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

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      get stuffed
      wrote on last edited by get stuffed
      #2673

      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

      the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

      That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

      You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

      Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

      Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

      What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
      All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

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      • get stuffedG get stuffed

        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

        the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

        That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

        You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

        Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

        Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

        What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
        All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

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        Chris
        wrote on last edited by
        #2674

        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

        the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

        That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

        You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

        Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

        Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

        What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
        All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

        You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

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        • ChrisC Chris

          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

          the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

          That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

          You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

          Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

          Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

          What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
          All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

          You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

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          Nepia
          wrote on last edited by Nepia
          #2675

          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

          the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

          That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

          You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

          Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

          Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

          What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
          All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

          You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

          Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.

          I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.

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          • NepiaN Nepia

            @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

            @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

            @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

            @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

            the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

            That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

            You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

            Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

            Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

            What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
            All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

            You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

            Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.

            I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.

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            Chris
            wrote on last edited by
            #2676

            @nepia said in All Blacks 2021:

            @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

            @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

            @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

            @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

            the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

            That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

            You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

            Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

            Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

            What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
            All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

            You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

            Now that is just silly. David Havilli was by the end of the season nearly a flop at 12, but it's better for NZ rugby if doesn't leave for Europe.

            I'm not on the Laumape train but he played some decent tests.

            You may see it that way ,I don't rate Laumape and thought his petulant behaviour was BS in his last season

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            • ChrisC Chris

              @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

              @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

              @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

              the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

              That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

              You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

              Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

              Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

              What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
              All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

              You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

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              get stuffed
              wrote on last edited by get stuffed
              #2677

              @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

              @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

              @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

              @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

              the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

              That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

              You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

              Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

              Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

              What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
              All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

              You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

              Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

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              • NepiaN Nepia

                @dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

                Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.

                That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.

                Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.

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                wrote on last edited by
                #2678

                @nepia said in All Blacks 2021:

                @dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

                Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.

                That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.

                Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.

                Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,

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                • get stuffedG get stuffed

                  @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                  the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                  That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                  You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                  Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                  Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                  What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                  All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                  You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                  Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

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                  Chris
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2679

                  @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                  the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                  That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                  You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                  Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                  Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                  What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                  All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                  You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                  Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                  HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                  Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                  Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

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                  • get stuffedG get stuffed

                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                    the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                    That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                    You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                    Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                    Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                    What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                    All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                    You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                    Do you even have a clue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

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                    taniwharugby
                    wrote on last edited by taniwharugby
                    #2680

                    @kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.

                    He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence

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                    • A ARHS

                      @dan54 All I am saying is that all teams have their ups and downs - including Ireland - and there is a competitive playing field amongst the top 10 or so, where anyone can win or lose on a day, particularly when there are factors affecting the squad. I just don't like to see good coaches and teams absolutely rubbished. Joe Schmidt is very good, and prepares his team very well. But, he was also under the gun too for those bad results. Does not make him a bad coach. Would be nice if NZ can combine the talents of Schmidt, Foster and Robertson in preparing for RWC and what it throws at the squad.

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                      #2681

                      @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @dan54 All I am saying is that all teams have their ups and downs - including Ireland - and there is a competitive playing field amongst the top 10 or so, where anyone can win or lose on a day, particularly when there are factors affecting the squad. I just don't like to see good coaches and teams absolutely rubbished. Joe Schmidt is very good, and prepares his team very well. But, he was also under the gun too for those bad results. Does not make him a bad coach. Would be nice if NZ can combine the talents of Schmidt, Foster and Robertson in preparing for RWC and what it throws at the squad.

                      I couldn't agree more , I said I a fan of Schmidt, hell as I have pointed out I real keen on him, Rennie and Joseph to name a few, all I say judge all the coaches the same. Schmidt has become man of moment on forums because he has joined the selection panel, something Foster tried to arrange when he got the gig, but he was not wanting much to do with test rugby, why he said he didn't apply for AB coaching job. Did we have this much screaming for Schmidt last year?
                      I would feel better about Razor if he was in ABs (or somewhere) getting some International experience. He has said as much himself when he tried to get a gig helping Gatland with Lions, said he felt he could learn a lot.

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                      • ChrisC Chris

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                        That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                        You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                        Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                        Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                        What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                        All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                        You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                        Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                        HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                        Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                        Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

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                        get stuffed
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2682

                        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                        the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                        That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                        You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                        Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                        Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                        What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                        All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                        You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                        Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                        HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                        Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                        Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                        Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                        Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

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                        • get stuffedG get stuffed

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                          That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                          You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                          Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                          Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                          What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                          All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                          You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                          Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                          HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                          Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                          Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                          Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                          Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

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                          Chris
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2683

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                          the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                          That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                          You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                          Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                          Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                          What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                          All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                          You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                          Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                          HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                          Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                          Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                          Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                          Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                          That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                          You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                          As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            @kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.

                            He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence

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                            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.

                            He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence

                            Disagree... also tell me a midfielder we have in the AB squad that puts the opposition in two minds ? they're lucky if they put them in half a mind 🙂

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                              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                              @kiwibloke at super maybe, he was more often than not found wanting at international level.

                              He rarely put defences in 2 minds, he would mostly pretty much try to run over the defence

                              Disagree... also tell me a midfielder we have in the AB squad that puts the opposition in two minds ? they're lucky if they put them in half a mind 🙂

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                              @kiwibloke if I was marking him, I'd not be in 2 minds, I just have to make sure I was in a position to try and tackle him when he ran it at me, most of the time...

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                              • ChrisC Chris

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

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                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

                                Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.

                                hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.

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                                  @nepia said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.

                                  That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.

                                  Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.

                                  Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,

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                                  @dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @nepia said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Last year we had same thing with Rennie ( another bloody good coach) but seems to have gone a lot quieter now with his international record over a couple of years. And good as he is he has no record of winning to speak of really anyway, just was fashion for a year or 2.

                                  That's just silly, especially in light of your comments in the preceding paragraphs. He had a 6 year period when he won 3 U20s and 2 S14s. He then kept the Chiefs in the finals hunt for the remainder of his time. At no stage did he ever have a squad as strong as the ones Razor has had.

                                  Arguably his most successful coaching was keeping the Poo reasonably competitive for as long as he did.

                                  Mate I was using it as an example of how you can cherry pick results to make argument. I actually a fan of Rennie, had whanau in his rep squad,

                                  Ah right, I guess I misread your intention of that part. All good.

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                                  • get stuffedG get stuffed

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                    That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                    You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                    Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                    Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                    What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                    All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                    You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                    Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                    HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                    Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                    Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                    Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                    Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                    That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                    You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                    As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

                                    Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.

                                    hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.

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                                    #2688

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                    That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                    You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                    Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                    Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                    What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                    All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                    You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                    Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                    HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                    Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                    Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                    Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                    Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                    That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                    You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                    As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

                                    Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.

                                    hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.

                                    Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.

                                    Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.

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                                    • ChrisC Chris

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                      That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                      You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                      Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                      Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                      What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                      All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                      You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                      Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                      HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                      Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                      Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                      Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                      Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                      That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                      You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                      As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

                                      Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.

                                      hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.

                                      Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.

                                      Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.

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                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      the midfield not using that thing between their ears called a brain very much...

                                      That womble Foster made a big stuff up by not wanting Laumape

                                      You talk about a mid field using brains and then promote Laumape for the mid field?

                                      Dont agree that he read the game well at all.

                                      Laumape Pretty one dimensional and not at the top of the tree for decision making,agree with you there.

                                      What ? just because he has brutal power doesn't mean he's one-dimensional - have you ever seen him play ? ...he's got a good weighted short kicking game & passes at the right times, how's that not reading the game properly ?
                                      All the midfield players Foster has selected have basically offered nothing, the midfield is one of the real weaknesses in the ABs at the moment.

                                      You are not going to convince me on Laumape,Best thing he has left for Europe.

                                      Do you even have a glue how to analsye a player ? ...if you did you'll realize you look at all the skill sets a player has in the position he plays in & see how well they execute those skills sets under pressure... for example Laumape puts defenders in two minds, as you're not sure whether he'll pass, execute a grubber, use his step & pace to beat a player, or power through them.

                                      HaHaHA He was one dimensional end of story.Maybe that's why the ALL Blacks dis regarded him because he was not good enough.
                                      Or maybe the Selectors needed you to analyse the players for them.

                                      Just because someone does not agree with you it doesn't mean they know nothing or have an opinion.

                                      Lets not forget Foster didn't want him & we all know how poor he is as a head coach.

                                      Everyone has the right to have an opinion, but that opinion should have some insight though.

                                      That is your opinion again wether it has Insight or not.

                                      You will find on the Fern a few people think the same about Laumape.

                                      As for Foster he is a complete and utter Fuckwit in my books so I do agree with that point.

                                      Just saying it's best to analyse in depth.

                                      hiliarious, just pointed out the obvious skill sets he has... not much point continuing the debate, we're just going around in circles.

                                      Its all good we have different opinions, that what the Fern is all about.

                                      Many a blow up has happened on here over opinions.

                                      Fair points mate.

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                                        96005f31-85c4-4b02-832d-e5a4de0e2595-image.png

                                        Laumape actually had more try assists than I might've expected last year.

                                        I collected a few years of Super Rugby data. This is the combined info from last year (includes Trans- Ta$man and Aotearoa).

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                                          96005f31-85c4-4b02-832d-e5a4de0e2595-image.png

                                          Laumape actually had more try assists than I might've expected last year.

                                          I collected a few years of Super Rugby data. This is the combined info from last year (includes Trans- Ta$man and Aotearoa).

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                                          @bobily2 said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          96005f31-85c4-4b02-832d-e5a4de0e2595-image.png

                                          Laumape actually had more try assists than I might've expected last year.

                                          I wrote a script to collect a few years of Super Rugby data. This is the combined info from last year (includes Trans- Ta$man and Aotearoa).

                                          First Turnovers column is "TurnoversConceded", second is "TurnoversWon"

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