All Blacks 2021
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
Where is the New Zealand team from the 2016 World Rugby Under 20 Championship?
Wasn't that the one where we didn't even make the play-offs?
I blame Foster (or Deans).
Shhh Victor we aren't to talk about when Razor took U20 team to a 5th place finish in WC, imagine if an AB coach did same thing!!!!
It's like the AB-France QF in 2007. Didn't happen.
Did we play France in 2007?
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
Where is the New Zealand team from the 2016 World Rugby Under 20 Championship?
Wasn't that the one where we didn't even make the play-offs?
I blame Foster (or Deans).
Shhh Victor we aren't to talk about when Razor took U20 team to a 5th place finish in WC, imagine if an AB coach did same thing!!!!
It's like the AB-France QF in 2007. Didn't happen.
Did we play France in 2007?
Nope. And Foster didn't coach the U20 side in 2016.
(Hint: Only one statement is correct)
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
My fault on that one... have been pretty knackered over the last couple of weeks working through to about 10pm most nights or longer signwriting & doing airbrush custom car work, so I'll take that on the chin, fair enough.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
We all know if your forwards get on top of the other sides forwards you basically control the whole game, we were shocking in the forwards against Ireland & France, especially in our poor execution of taking the ball up through the phases, whereas the other two teams forward packs did the hard yakka in that very crucial area of the game, so we spent most of our time on the back foot... even though our backs were getting a shite platform from the blokes up front it's mainly on our 9 & 10 to read the game well showing good decision making & execute accurately. -
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
My fault on that one... have been pretty knackered over the last couple of weeks working through to about 10pm most nights or longer signwriting & doing airbrush custom car work, so I'll take that on the chin, fair enough.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
We all know if your forwards get on top of the other sides forwards you basically control the whole game, we were shocking in the forwards against Ireland & France, especially in our poor execution of taking the ball up through the phases, whereas the other two teams forward packs did the hard yakka in that very crucial area of the game, so we spent most of our time on the back foot... even though our backs were getting a shite platform from the blokes up front it's mainly on our 9 & 10 to read the game well showing good decision making & execute accurately.@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
This whole forum criticises the current set up. Maybe one or two have slightly defended him but not really. Your comment makes no sense in this environment.
Even the Waikato and Chiefs supporters are saying he shouldn't be there.
This isn't Cantabs defending the Deans dross, this is a united front against Foster for the most.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
My fault on that one... have been pretty knackered over the last couple of weeks working through to about 10pm most nights or longer signwriting & doing airbrush custom car work, so I'll take that on the chin, fair enough.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
We all know if your forwards get on top of the other sides forwards you basically control the whole game, we were shocking in the forwards against Ireland & France, especially in our poor execution of taking the ball up through the phases, whereas the other two teams forward packs did the hard yakka in that very crucial area of the game, so we spent most of our time on the back foot... even though our backs were getting a shite platform from the blokes up front it's mainly on our 9 & 10 to read the game well showing good decision making & execute accurately.@nzbloke based on previous replies i can only assume you've mistaken the fern for another forum
anyone backing fozzie would very much be in the minority
Those like @kiwi_expat are only focusing on the assistants as fozzie's contract has already been extended and the assistants are currently being reviewed
Theyre not going to sack fozzie until he's at least played more games
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
My fault on that one... have been pretty knackered over the last couple of weeks working through to about 10pm most nights or longer signwriting & doing airbrush custom car work, so I'll take that on the chin, fair enough.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
We all know if your forwards get on top of the other sides forwards you basically control the whole game, we were shocking in the forwards against Ireland & France, especially in our poor execution of taking the ball up through the phases, whereas the other two teams forward packs did the hard yakka in that very crucial area of the game, so we spent most of our time on the back foot... even though our backs were getting a shite platform from the blokes up front it's mainly on our 9 & 10 to read the game well showing good decision making & execute accurately.@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff
TBF, I haven't seen that. There's obvious disagreements on the root causes of the current problems and what should be done but I haven't seen anyone say everything is OK in the garden.
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Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
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Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
@nzbloke its been done to death, you're late to the party, everyones not going to repeat what they've been saying for the last 2-3 years for you
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@nzbloke its been done to death, you're late to the party, everyones not going to repeat what they've been saying for the last 2-3 years for you
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke its been done to death, you're late to the party, everyones not going to repeat what they've been saying for the last 2-3 years for you
Even down to what religion Foster is and his eating habits.
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Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
arrogance
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
This whole forum criticises the current set up. Maybe one or two have slightly defended him but not really. Your comment makes no sense in this environment.
Even the Waikato and Chiefs supporters are saying he shouldn't be there.
This isn't Cantabs defending the Deans dross, this is a united front against Foster for the most.
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
you mean here you moan again.
No I mean more sanctimoniousness dribble.
If anyone is talking verbal diarrhoea it's you.
You tend to think the sun shines out of Foster... so what has he actually added to the team of any value then ?
When have I ever said that ,
Read my posts I have smashed Foster for 2 years .
I have been one of his biggest critics.So more crap from you yet again.
It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it.
This whole forum criticises the current set up. Maybe one or two have slightly defended him but not really. Your comment makes no sense in this environment.
Even the Waikato and Chiefs supporters are saying he shouldn't be there.
This isn't Cantabs defending the Deans dross, this is a united front against Foster for the most.
Especially the Waikato and Chiefs supporters are saying he shouldn't be there.
And me. And Chris. And quite a few others..
While many have pointed out the shit performances, quite a few also noted our glaring weaknesses are being more and more effectively exploited by other teams and the coaches don't know how to stem the bleeding. (IMHO). -
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
arrogance
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
arrogance
Actually I see some logic here:
People who know their rugby properly should see where things going wrong and how to fix them.
If the poster is arrogant in thinking they are one of these proper rugby experts, I can find you a forum full of similar self-justified opinions. Here. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
arrogance
Actually I see some logic here:
People who know their rugby properly should see where things going wrong and how to fix them.
If the poster is arrogant in thinking they are one of these proper rugby experts, I can find you a forum full of similar self-justified opinions. Here.I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind? -
I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind?Or I need help because I don't know what I am doing kind of Mr Foster.Help save my job, by finding people who know how to fix this mess I have created..
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind?Or I need help because I don't know what I am doing kind of Mr Foster.Help save my job, by finding people who know how to fix this mess I have created..
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind?Or I need help because I don't know what I am doing kind of Mr Foster.Help save my job, by finding people who know how to fix this mess I have created..
Yeah I think he has good friends at the top.
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this will be taken incorrectly by some but
I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.
One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.
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I wonder if Razor was ever offered a 'team' role or he insists on being head honcho or nothing?
When you take the all or nothing approach the risk of nothing comes with it. As much as I would hate to lose Razor to NZ Rugby the NZRU had (in their minds) good reason to appoint Foster. He knows the international demands on teams and how to manage it (although Covid has thrown him some curve balls that possibly forced errors). You don't just throw that experience away.
Could we not have Foster managing the team with Razor being in charge of on field stuff with a view of taking over when Foster goes? -
I'm quite happy people here defend Foster, as I struggle to see the good myself.
Changing the assistants, and bringing in an international coach, does suggest to me some in NZ rugby have similar misgivings. Or are all these changes the product of an agile, resourceful, Ian Foster mind?@nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?
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this will be taken incorrectly by some but
I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.
One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.
@mariner4life it is like any organisation though isnt it if you dont have a good support team.
I would bet money that if Wayne Smith returned into Fozzies team, we'd see changes almost immediately (hoping for something similar with Schmidt)
Some people are meant to lead, but doesnt mean they dont need good assistants/advisors/team, similarly, some are not meant to lead, but thier value to the leader is imeasurable.
Sure NZR got it wrong with Fozzie, and I can understand the need to allow him to pick his team, but I think with the relatively weak team he assembled, coupled with his, er, indifferent record as head coach created a perfect storm of mediocrity.
