All Blacks 2021
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
I'm pretty sure in articles Foster went on about his coaching team so I personally feel he chose them.
That could just be a taking ownership thing.
The question for me is around the who selection process for the Assistants. Was or is he able to recruit who he likes, does the NZRFU give a list of candidates, or do they work with the coach to give him what he needs while maintaining continuity/ building experience of coaching the national team?
The sort of thing any review should look at, as it doesn't seem to be working...
I have however found some of Ian Foster's stellar analysis, such as after the Ireland game, where he blames the players, not any coach:
What part of his analysis didn't you agree with? I thought it was pretty much in line with the post-match comments on here and other media, particularly the kicking away of possession and playing like headless chooks under pressure which has been evident for 4-5 years
Th real question to Foster should be: So what are you going to do about it?
this part:
While he acknowledged his big men were outplayed by their Irish counterparts, Foster said his backs need to shoulder some of the blame for their defeat as **he believes they didn’t allow the forwards to perform to the best of their ability.**He doesn't question the coaching tactics or forwards selections, both were criticized on here.
“I think our pack’s gone pretty well through the year. Overall, I’ve been reasonably satisfied to date,” Foster said.I don't believe this has been shared by the majority of Ferners either.
Plus:
“I thought we turned over a lot of ball in the backs within one-to-two phases again, and that’s something that actually hurt us in the first test against South Africa, even though we won it."maybe, but consider this:
https://extra.ie/2021/11/14/sport/rugby/ireland-all-blacks-statFarrell’s side charges spent a remarkable eight minutes and three seconds over in the New Zealand 22. While you’d usually assume that the All Blacks would muster up something similar, they were absolutely miles off — Ian Foster’s side spent a mere 37 seconds in the Irish 22.Sounds to me the AB forwards were not that great. The kicking metres weren't too dissimilar.
He doesn't question the coaching tactics or forwards selections, both were criticized on here.
TBF, he was specifically talking about the poor kicking and the need for the backs to shoulder some of the blame.
I'm not sure I judge a coach's analytics by how much he agrees with what is said here. (If we did, we'd only have atheists in the coaching team.....).
But I think his comments on the backs kicking was pretty much spot-on
“I think our pack’s gone pretty well through the year. Overall, I’ve been reasonably satisfied to date,” Foster said.
I don't believe this has been shared by the majority of Ferners either.
Fair comment. As I've said, I really don't see a game plan - let alone tactics - and the forwards do go well - and then lose momentum, time and time again
Farrell’s side charges spent a remarkable eight minutes and three seconds over in the New Zealand 22.
While you’d usually assume that the All Blacks would muster up something similar, they were absolutely miles off — Ian Foster’s side spent a mere 37 seconds in the Irish 22.
Sounds to me the AB forwards were not that great. The kicking metres weren't too dissimilar.
I pretty much agree. The number of times we got on the front foot and lost momentum was painful - and our kicking contributed greatly to that, if not more as it put us on the back foot. Real headless chook stuff all round. Minimal on-field leadership.
The only positive was our defence which was good, IIRC.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Instead of trying to isolate ball carriers on our side and work off turnovers we need to be forcing errors and doing the same.
I don't see any of our Super teams really doing that well except maybe the Blues. We are meeting the opposition on the gain line at best (or using umbrella defenses to try and force the runners back toward the forwards.Pretty much this 100%. We have to question if NZ Super Rugby teams are preparing players for international completion
To be fair to them, that's not their role. If NZR want to use it as a defacto Test competition, then they should ensure the seasonal be rules are conducive rather than the entertainment they've backed.
I'm a firm believer that coaching careers are made on the back of rosters. More astute observers can see a coach that gets more than the sum of their players.
And that goes double for assistants. I don't think there's a person on this forum who doesn't believe Wayne Smith bettered every setup he was involved in.
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
Have to admit I don't know much about Mooar, wasn't he part of the much vaunted Crusaders coaching group ? As I said I never really followed his coaching career much.
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@crucial Has Warren Gatland or Chris Boyd been considered for an All Black role. I think John Mitchell should be called upon especially when taking on England.
@sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial Has Warren Gatland or Chris Boyd been considered for an All Black role. I think John Mitchell should be called upon especially when taking on England.
Both Gatland and Bord I believe were invited to apply for AB's job. I have heard Gatland say he has never applied for a coachs job, all his jobs were offered to him.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
Have to admit I don't know much about Mooar, wasn't he part of the much vaunted Crusaders coaching group ? As I said I never really followed his coaching career much.
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
Have to admit I don't know much about Mooar, wasn't he part of the much vaunted Crusaders coaching group ? As I said I never really followed his coaching career much.
According to posters earlier in the thread Razor inherited Mooar then got rid of him at first opportunity.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
Have to admit I don't know much about Mooar, wasn't he part of the much vaunted Crusaders coaching group ? As I said I never really followed his coaching career much.
According to posters earlier in the thread Razor inherited Mooar then got rid of him at first opportunity.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged. What's not arguable in my mind is Mooar has to go.
Have to admit I don't know much about Mooar, wasn't he part of the much vaunted Crusaders coaching group ? As I said I never really followed his coaching career much.
According to posters earlier in the thread Razor inherited Mooar then got rid of him at first opportunity.
After 2 years of success? Anyway according to posters' is hardly factual is it. I was under the impression he went up North for a head coaching job in Wales or somewhere. Guess I should check.somewhere, but I guess it not that important.
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Ányway if our forward pack is losing the battle (which I don't disagree with) let's hear opinions on who should be in there. I am trying to think who else I would bring in to strengthen the pack. I worry a bit about my favourite Sam Whitelock, at times looks a little weary, and Retallic I think will be better for a season of super after a couple of years in Japan. Definitely think we are stronger with Cane on side of scrum, just got to get right players at 6 & 8 so I reckon Ardie has got 8 tied up at this stage.
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Ányway if our forward pack is losing the battle (which I don't disagree with) let's hear opinions on who should be in there. I am trying to think who else I would bring in to strengthen the pack. I worry a bit about my favourite Sam Whitelock, at times looks a little weary, and Retallic I think will be better for a season of super after a couple of years in Japan. Definitely think we are stronger with Cane on side of scrum, just got to get right players at 6 & 8 so I reckon Ardie has got 8 tied up at this stage.
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Ányway if our forward pack is losing the battle (which I don't disagree with) let's hear opinions on who should be in there. I am trying to think who else I would bring in to strengthen the pack. I worry a bit about my favourite Sam Whitelock, at times looks a little weary, and Retallic I think will be better for a season of super after a couple of years in Japan. Definitely think we are stronger with Cane on side of scrum, just got to get right players at 6 & 8 so I reckon Ardie has got 8 tied up at this stage.
Ardie is the 'problem' really. Very skilled, dynamic and a leader. Trouble is that his value drops a touch against well drilled hard nose opposition. 90% of the time he is the experienced first choice but that makes him really hard to drop for the other 10%.
I think that with Cane back the balance is better though. His accuracy in the tackle and ability to stop momentum is much better than our alternatives atm.
We do need our 6 to be playing tighter though. We need tackle impact and leg drive there. The shuffling last year (which I do understand was maybe necessary) didn't help cement that spot but it did provide experience and show areas for work.
I also hope that BBBR comes back his old self this year and if Sam is fading then he becomes a starter or finisher depending on the game.
Front row go forward is our biggest need. We have the solution at hooker but need to retire the old boys. Our props though aren't hitting hard enough or driving well enough. Again we are at a crossroads where experience maybe needs to make way for youth.Short answer is that we are still identifying and assessing the player solutions but need to nail them into place this year.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Ányway if our forward pack is losing the battle (which I don't disagree with) let's hear opinions on who should be in there. I am trying to think who else I would bring in to strengthen the pack. I worry a bit about my favourite Sam Whitelock, at times looks a little weary, and Retallic I think will be better for a season of super after a couple of years in Japan. Definitely think we are stronger with Cane on side of scrum, just got to get right players at 6 & 8 so I reckon Ardie has got 8 tied up at this stage.
Ardie is the 'problem' really. Very skilled, dynamic and a leader. Trouble is that his value drops a touch against well drilled hard nose opposition. 90% of the time he is the experienced first choice but that makes him really hard to drop for the other 10%.
I think that with Cane back the balance is better though. His accuracy in the tackle and ability to stop momentum is much better than our alternatives atm.
We do need our 6 to be playing tighter though. We need tackle impact and leg drive there. The shuffling last year (which I do understand was maybe necessary) didn't help cement that spot but it did provide experience and show areas for work.
I also hope that BBBR comes back his old self this year and if Sam is fading then he becomes a starter or finisher depending on the game.
Front row go forward is our biggest need. We have the solution at hooker but need to retire the old boys. Our props though aren't hitting hard enough or driving well enough. Again we are at a crossroads where experience maybe needs to make way for youth.Short answer is that we are still identifying and assessing the player solutions but need to nail them into place this year.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
Ányway if our forward pack is losing the battle (which I don't disagree with) let's hear opinions on who should be in there. I am trying to think who else I would bring in to strengthen the pack. I worry a bit about my favourite Sam Whitelock, at times looks a little weary, and Retallic I think will be better for a season of super after a couple of years in Japan. Definitely think we are stronger with Cane on side of scrum, just got to get right players at 6 & 8 so I reckon Ardie has got 8 tied up at this stage.
Ardie is the 'problem' really. Very skilled, dynamic and a leader. Trouble is that his value drops a touch against well drilled hard nose opposition. 90% of the time he is the experienced first choice but that makes him really hard to drop for the other 10%.
I think that with Cane back the balance is better though. His accuracy in the tackle and ability to stop momentum is much better than our alternatives atm.
We do need our 6 to be playing tighter though. We need tackle impact and leg drive there. The shuffling last year (which I do understand was maybe necessary) didn't help cement that spot but it did provide experience and show areas for work.
I also hope that BBBR comes back his old self this year and if Sam is fading then he becomes a starter or finisher depending on the game.
Front row go forward is our biggest need. We have the solution at hooker but need to retire the old boys. Our props though aren't hitting hard enough or driving well enough. Again we are at a crossroads where experience maybe needs to make way for youth.Short answer is that we are still identifying and assessing the player solutions but need to nail them into place this year.
I not convinced that Codie Taylor is done yet, but would like to see him look a bit refreshed in Super, I actually wonder if like Sam W one of his problems is he carries to big of a workload at Crusaders and wonder if Razor could not work them so hard. Fron Feb to Nov is a bloody long season, I actually thought Sam was a bit better at end of season after his break for bub. I a bit interested to see how Tamaiti Williams goes for Crusaders, but suspect his time maybe a couple of years away as yet. Same as Lord and Vaií in second row , really a fan of both players but another year or two wouldn't go astray.
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I would love to see a bunch of Samisonis appear this year. Guys that instantly show impact at test level despite low experience levels.
The difference in go forward whenever he took the field was noticeable.
Amazing to think that he was a temporary fill in. -
I would love to see a bunch of Samisonis appear this year. Guys that instantly show impact at test level despite low experience levels.
The difference in go forward whenever he took the field was noticeable.
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@crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.
Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.
Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.
Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
Hopefully with BBBR back
He will blow out his shoulder in the 3rd round.
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
Hopefully with BBBR back
He will blow out his shoulder in the 3rd round.
Fark right orf!!!
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I did not write this article:
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Harsh but true
Beat me to it
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Harsh but true
Beat me to it
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
I did not write this article:
Harsh but true
Beat me to it
All I can think of reading this is they wouldn't have run through Samisoni (and up to this year I was a Taylor fan).
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/
I can't disagree with much of the article. I thought overall Moody was not the worst of the props, but I guess more is expected of him. They kept playing Havili when his confidence was gone (and against big midfields) so I'd actually lay some of the blame at the feet of the coaches. As for Bridge. Well. He only helps across very small and slow moving streams. -
this will be taken incorrectly by some but
I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.
One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
this will be taken incorrectly by some but
I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.
One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.
You do realize you are recommending assistant coach changes but also 5 years of Foster as AB head coach?!
