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    I would love to see a bunch of Samisonis appear this year. Guys that instantly show impact at test level despite low experience levels.
    The difference in go forward whenever he took the field was noticeable.
    Amazing to think that he was a temporary fill in.

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    • CrucialC Crucial

      I would love to see a bunch of Samisonis appear this year. Guys that instantly show impact at test level despite low experience levels.
      The difference in go forward whenever he took the field was noticeable.
      Amazing to think that he was a temporary fill in.

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      @crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.

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      • BovidaeB Bovidae

        @crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.

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        @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

        @crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.

        Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders 😉

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        • gt12G gt12

          @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

          @crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.

          Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders 😉

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          @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

          Hopefully with BBBR back

          He will blow out his shoulder in the 3rd round.

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          • gt12G gt12

            @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

            @crucial I'm also hoping that Taukei'aho will take another step up for the Chiefs with his added confidence in black.

            Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at. If we can get strong at set piece, we’ll be a tricky team to play. We won’t win it, but hopefully we’ll fuck it up for the Saders 😉

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            @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

            Hopefully with BBBR back and our other locks, he’ll have some good targets to throw at.

            If they pick the right loose forwards he will have 4 lineout targets to throw to.

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            • TimT Tim

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

              Hopefully with BBBR back

              He will blow out his shoulder in the 3rd round.

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              @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

              Hopefully with BBBR back

              He will blow out his shoulder in the 3rd round.

              Fark right orf!!!

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              • TimT Away
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                #3145

                I did not write this article:

                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

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                • TimT Tim

                  I did not write this article:

                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

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                  @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                  I did not write this article:

                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                  Harsh but true

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                  • CrucialC Crucial

                    @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                    I did not write this article:

                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                    Harsh but true

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                    @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                    I did not write this article:

                    https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                    Harsh but true

                    Beat me to it

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                    • M Machpants

                      @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                      I did not write this article:

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                      Harsh but true

                      Beat me to it

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                      @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                      I did not write this article:

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                      Harsh but true

                      Beat me to it

                      All I can think of reading this is they wouldn't have run through Samisoni (and up to this year I was a Taylor fan).
                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/
                      I can't disagree with much of the article. I thought overall Moody was not the worst of the props, but I guess more is expected of him. They kept playing Havili when his confidence was gone (and against big midfields) so I'd actually lay some of the blame at the feet of the coaches. As for Bridge. Well. He only helps across very small and slow moving streams.

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        this will be taken incorrectly by some but

                        I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.

                        One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.

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                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                        this will be taken incorrectly by some but

                        I have seen many instances in other sports where head coaches are dead men walking, blokes thought ot not have a fucking clue, and the popular opinion was they needed to be sacked. They changed all the assistants and lo, there was a huge turn around in results.

                        One for a couple of guys on here is Damien Hardwick Richmond were trapped at 9th, they were going nowhere, and everyone thought the coach should get fired. Richmond kept him, but got rid of heaps of others. What, 5 years later he's regarded as basically the best coach in the league, with Richmond being the best side over that time, winning a bunch of flags.

                        You do realize you are recommending assistant coach changes but also 5 years of Foster as AB head coach?!

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                        • S SBW1

                          @nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?

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                          @sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?

                          I like this regig word. But I don't know.

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                          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                            @sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?

                            I like this regig word. But I don't know.

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                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @sbw1 said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @nostrildamus Does anyone anticipate further regig of the assistant coaching staff?

                            I like this regig word. But I don't know.

                            I prefer Gallow's for the whole coaching staff.

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                            • boobooB booboo

                              @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                              I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

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                              @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                              @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                              I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                              Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

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                              • CrucialC Crucial

                                @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                                I did not write this article:

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                                Harsh but true

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                                @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                                I did not write this article:

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/crusaders-enter-2022-with-more-to-prove-as-last-years-worst-all-blacks-performers/

                                Harsh but true

                                Basically saying super rugby is their level, and some not up to test standard I guess, as you say maybe harsh but true.
                                What the write up says is too many of them (and he mentioning Mounga ) don't step up.
                                Seems some players like Sammisona? etc are able to step up. I didn't think Barrett waqs bad, and Codie Taylor just looked stuffed. Bridge and Ennor have probably never convinced me at test level either. Yet the likes of Sevu Reece, Jordan etc are quite capable of higher levels, have seen it in rugby for years!

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                                • get stuffedG get stuffed

                                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                  I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                  Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

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                                  #3154

                                  @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                  I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                  Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

                                  Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.

                                  Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.

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                                    @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.

                                    You need to reword your statements to something we understand.

                                    "It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."

                                    That doesn't equal what you have just post.

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                                    @hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.

                                    You need to reword your statements to something we understand.

                                    "It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."

                                    That doesn't equal what you have just post.

                                    Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :

                                    Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.

                                    Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.

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                                    • boobooB booboo

                                      @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                      I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                      Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

                                      Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.

                                      Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.

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                                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                      I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                      Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

                                      Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.

                                      Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.

                                      Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.

                                      Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.

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                                      • get stuffedG get stuffed

                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                        I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                        Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

                                        Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.

                                        Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.

                                        Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.

                                        Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.

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                                        @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:

                                        I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.

                                        Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.

                                        Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.

                                        Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.

                                        Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.

                                        Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.

                                        Nobody likes the box kick, unless you're Faf or Irish.

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                                          Someone find that Rugbypass article about playing off nine and attacking the fringe - they used Grehgan and Larkham at the Brumbies for a lot of their examples.

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