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    Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

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    • BonesB Bones

      Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

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      @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

      Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

      If he keeps this up all SR, then yep. Kicking is a bit iffy, but that's what jordie is for!

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        @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

        Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

        If he keeps this up all SR, then yep. Kicking is a bit iffy, but that's what jordie is for!

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        @machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

        @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

        Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

        If he keeps this up all SR, then yep. Kicking is a bit iffy, but that's what jordie is for!

        Yeah exactly....or Havili 😉

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        • BonesB Bones

          @machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

          Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

          If he keeps this up all SR, then yep. Kicking is a bit iffy, but that's what jordie is for!

          Yeah exactly....or Havili 😉

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          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

          @machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

          Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

          If he keeps this up all SR, then yep. Kicking is a bit iffy, but that's what jordie is for!

          Yeah exactly....or Havili 😉

          🤮

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          • ChrisC Chris

            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

            @chris Sotutu probably has a higher ceiling but I think Jacobson is more consistent

            For me I think Sotutu goes missing where Jacobsen seems to go for 80 min.

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            @chris agree but both are not remarkable. Sotutu does better in space which there is not much of in international rugby.

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            • J junior

              @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

              @bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

              @crucial Vaa'i at 6 means you need a certain type of no.8, i.e., not Savea.

              I remain convinced that looking for a blindside to plug the holes in our loose forwards capability is part of the problem if your starting point is the 8 has to be Savea who should be a super sub.

              Except he is the best 8 in the country at the moment.
              I know he seems more a SuperRugby 8 than a test one but who goes in ahead of him AND is a better player and leader.
              That's the quandary.

              I also get that if he is at 8 we need a six that plays up and down the track more and stops fringe runners in their tracks.

              Now tell me who that guy is.

              If Savea is the answer to the leadership question, that's a real problem

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              @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

              @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

              @bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

              @crucial Vaa'i at 6 means you need a certain type of no.8, i.e., not Savea.

              I remain convinced that looking for a blindside to plug the holes in our loose forwards capability is part of the problem if your starting point is the 8 has to be Savea who should be a super sub.

              Except he is the best 8 in the country at the moment.
              I know he seems more a SuperRugby 8 than a test one but who goes in ahead of him AND is a better player and leader.
              That's the quandary.

              I also get that if he is at 8 we need a six that plays up and down the track more and stops fringe runners in their tracks.

              Now tell me who that guy is.

              If Savea is the answer to the leadership question, that's a real problem

              Savea brings experience, always give 110% and stepped up to the plate (with SW) when Cane was injured. Can't ask more than that.

              That said, I think a fit Sam Cane and a bit of stability in the captaincy will be really helpful but big ups to Ardie and Sam for taking the captaincy in a bloody difficult year.

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              • BonesB Bones

                Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

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                @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

                Only watched for a game or two this year, but he seems to have matured a heck of a lot. Def. worth a run.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

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                  @bones from butcher boy while at high school to eventually cracking the AB's , Perofeta would be living the Waisake dream

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                    #456

                    So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                    Any surprises?

                    Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
                    BBBR, Vaai
                    Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
                    Smith, Mounga
                    Havili, ALB
                    Reece, Jordan, Jordie

                    Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

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                      @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                      Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

                      At the very least he’s a clear third choice that’s worth a look at the next level. After that clutch kick, his goal kicking has been disappointing but the rest of his game has been great. All the time in the world.

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                      • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                        So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                        Any surprises?

                        Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
                        BBBR, Vaai
                        Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
                        Smith, Mounga
                        Havili, ALB
                        Reece, Jordan, Jordie

                        Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

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                        @taniwharugby Scott Barrett at lock, instead of Vaa'i (who doesn't even play there, at the moment).

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                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                          So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                          Any surprises?

                          Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
                          BBBR, Vaai
                          Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
                          Smith, Mounga
                          Havili, ALB
                          Reece, Jordan, Jordie

                          Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

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                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                          So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                          Any surprises?

                          Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman

                          Both LHs.

                          If, hypothetically, JB is used at 12 and Jordan goes to fullback, then Ioane might have to move to the right wing again. There are more options for a power left winger than right wingers.

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                            Any surprises?

                            Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
                            BBBR, Vaai
                            Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
                            Smith, Mounga
                            Havili, ALB
                            Reece, Jordan, Jordie

                            Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

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                            @taniwharugby ALB was remarkably slow against the Crusaders. He's too slow to be centre - can't take a break.

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                            • BovidaeB Bovidae

                              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                              So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

                              Any surprises?

                              Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman

                              Both LHs.

                              If, hypothetically, JB is used at 12 and Jordan goes to fullback, then Ioane might have to move to the right wing again. There are more options for a power left winger than right wingers.

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                              @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                              @Stargazer knew I was forgetting someone

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                              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                                @Stargazer knew I was forgetting someone

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                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                                @Stargazer knew I was forgetting someone

                                RI is in an AB break, not injured.

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                                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                  @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                                  @Stargazer knew I was forgetting someone

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                                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                                  Rieko isn't.

                                  If you are only selecting fit players as of now, scratch BBBR too.

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                                  • KirwanK Kirwan

                                    @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

                                    At the very least he’s a clear third choice that’s worth a look at the next level. After that clutch kick, his goal kicking has been disappointing but the rest of his game has been great. All the time in the world.

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                                    @kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

                                    At the very least he’s a clear third choice that’s worth a look at the next level. After that clutch kick, his goal kicking has been disappointing but the rest of his game has been great. All the time in the world.

                                    I like him but I honestly can't recall him getting too many opportunities to show what he can do against the better teams. Hopefully he gets the chance soon.

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                                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @bovidae ioane is injured right now isn't he?

                                      Rieko isn't.

                                      If you are only selecting fit players as of now, scratch BBBR too.

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                                      #465

                                      @bovidae I thought Ioane was, didn't realise BBBR was.

                                      So then is Vaai and SB locking then...

                                      I'd push ALB to 12 and Ioane to 13 then.

                                      Would like to find a spot for Leicester, but can't see him pushing out Reece/Ioane/Jordie or even Bridge 😕 for a wing spot.

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                                      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                        @kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Perofeta. Great passing game, great short game. Combination with Christie and works brilliantly with the quick ball Smith would provide too. Get him in.

                                        At the very least he’s a clear third choice that’s worth a look at the next level. After that clutch kick, his goal kicking has been disappointing but the rest of his game has been great. All the time in the world.

                                        I like him but I honestly can't recall him getting too many opportunities to show what he can do against the better teams. Hopefully he gets the chance soon.

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                                        @crazy-horse really? He's been extremely impressive every outing if you ask me - with the bonus being he often plays flat and/or on the move, not deep and static.

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          @bovidae I thought Ioane was, didn't realise BBBR was.

                                          So then is Vaai and SB locking then...

                                          I'd push ALB to 12 and Ioane to 13 then.

                                          Would like to find a spot for Leicester, but can't see him pushing out Reece/Ioane/Jordie or even Bridge 😕 for a wing spot.

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                                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          I'd push ALB to 12 and Ioane to 13 then.

                                          Wouldn't be surprised to see Foster give Havili one more run-out at 12 to see how he goes, after hopefully working n his game, and then go for that option if it doesn't work out. Reiko then has enough time to settle in at 13 before RWC2023.

                                          We'd really be screwed if we didn't have ALB available at 12 or 13.

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