All Blacks 2022
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This Jordie at 12 thing is really interesting.
Perhaps it depends on whether Jordan is seen as effective enough at test level as a 15.
How's his defence, positioning, high ball work and kicking game compared to Jordie?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@yeahtheboys pretty sure he is a Blues supporter
That’s the joke…
@billy-tell kids these days, when I went to school, jokes were meant to be funny....
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Moody
Taukeiaho
Ofa T
Lord
Whitelock
Cane
Ioane
Savea
Smith
B. Barrett
L Fainga'anuku
J. Barrett
Ioane
Reece
Jordan
Reserves
Taylor
Hodgman
Newell
S. Barrett
Papalii
Christie
Mo’unga
ClarkeTeam I would like to see Run on.
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
Moody
Taukeiaho
Ofa T
Lord
Whitelock
Cane
Ioane
Savea
Smith
B. Barrett
L Fainga'anuku
J. Barrett
Ioane
Reece
Jordan
Reserves
Taylor
Hodgman
Newell
S. Barrett
Papalii
Christie
Mo’unga
ClarkeTeam I would like to see Run on.
Who are you and how did you get @Chris's password?
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Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence.
Did he have a 'first' season? He was pretty much plucked from the Chiefs squad wasn't he? Did he get many starts? I don't recall anyone touting him as a potential AB before he was selected.
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Moody
Taukeiaho
Ofa T
Lord
Whitelock
Cane
Ioane
Savea
Smith
B. Barrett
L Fainga'anuku
J. Barrett
Ioane
Reece
Jordan
Reserves
Taylor
Hodgman
Newell
S. Barrett
Papalii
Christie
Mo’unga
ClarkeTeam I would like to see Run on.
@chris Interesting team. Have heard something about Lord needing to get back into line quicker after tackles and carries. Looks to have some real ability to impact the game though.
Fainga'anuku is a real talent. Should have been in the ABs last year for some game time.
Wonder if Clarke can cover centre. Has done so for Marist, but may lack some vision? Defence is good.
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@chris Interesting team. Have heard something about Lord needing to get back into line quicker after tackles and carries. Looks to have some real ability to impact the game though.
Fainga'anuku is a real talent. Should have been in the ABs last year for some game time.
Wonder if Clarke can cover centre. Has done so for Marist, but may lack some vision? Defence is good.
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris Interesting team. Have heard something about Lord needing to get back into line quicker after tackles and carries. Looks to have some real ability to impact the game though.
Fainga'anuku is a real talent. Should have been in the ABs last year for some game time.
Wonder if Clarke can cover centre. Has done so for Marist, but may lack some vision? Defence is good.
LF could also cover centre in that team,
Clarke adds another impact player from the bench. -
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
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Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel you better get the tissues ready before reading this !!!!!
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Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
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@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
I read it as Havili at 15.
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Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
Havili? Nah.
Rather have Reece on the wing and Jordan at 15.
Swapping last year's 12 & 15 ... ?
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@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
#booboo
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim Havili?
Reece, Leicester both ahead of him as a wing, surely?
I read it as Havili at 15.
@crazy-horse Gregor must be picking from Fozzies coaching manual...
Lets shift our 12 from last year to 15, a position he hasnt played at super for 2 seasons, or in black for 4? and move the guy that has been playing 15, to 14 (obviously this isnt quite as bigger deal)
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@crazy-horse Gregor must be picking from Fozzies coaching manual...
Lets shift our 12 from last year to 15, a position he hasnt played at super for 2 seasons, or in black for 4? and move the guy that has been playing 15, to 14 (obviously this isnt quite as bigger deal)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse Gregor must be picking from Fozzies coaching manual...
Lets shift our 12 from last year to 15, a position he hasnt played at super for 2 seasons, or in black for 4? and move the guy that has been playing 15, to 14 (obviously this isnt quite as bigger deal)
Yeah I was thinking along the same lines. That would be a backline of players playing in differing degrees of unfamiliar positions.
On a side note, I can't remember a bunch of ABs like this lot whose best position is arguable. Both Barretts, both Ioanes, Jordan, DH, Savea, Papalii, Blackadder, Goodhue, ALB. I am sure I have missed one or two.
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- De Groot
- Taukeiaho
- Lomax
- Lord
- Whitelock (rotates w/ Retallick)
- Savea
- Cane
- PGS
- Smith
- B. Barrett
- Ioane
- J. Barrett
- ALB
- Reece
- Jordan
- Taylor
- Norris
- Ta’avo
- Vaa’I (S. Barrett?)
- Papalii (Jacobson?)
- Weber
- Mo’unga
- Tupaea (TUJ / PUJ / RTS / Nankivell?)
Wouldn’t mind this team going forward
Inexperienced props sure but think it’s time to get rid of the older non-performers imo
@yeahtheboys you are joking with those props???? Delusional mate.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
If you need to bring in Cron to address the work of Feek and Plumtree, those two need to be fucked off. If Strawbridge is coming in to address the paucity of skills on attack, what the flying fuck is our current attack coach doing?
Did you read the article?
Well either that or by coincidence I raised two key points mentioned in the article.
It was pretty clear that these guys are being added as specialist 'experts' to add to the work being done by incumbents. Surely identifying and fixing weaknesses with experts is a good thing if no one that can add that value AND do the other work is available.
I'd say these guys are good because they concentrate on small aspects rather than be jackof all trades.That's a remarkably public servant take on it. If you need people to come in to "add" to the unacceptable work of others, those others clearly aren't up to the task. The All Blacks shouldn't be the environment where specialist coaches need assistance coming up to the standard required.
Not a public service take at all. It's a pragmatic view on how you will be unlikely to find someone that is the best at everything.
We already acknowledge that, hence why we have a forwards coach, a scrum coach, an attack coach etc.
The best managers will refer to SMEs for advice or give them certain tasks for their areas of expertise.
See above. Foster seems to be surrounding himself with consultants. It's chapter two of "Shit Managers Handbook". A book I know well from contracting and consulting for decades.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
See above. Foster seems to be surrounding himself with consultants. It's chapter two of "Shit Managers Handbook". A book I know well from contracting and consulting for decades.
Depends if the consultants actually add useful input and value or do what they usually do - regurgitate the latest bullshit from management "gurus" with zero knowledge of running an enterprise.
If Cron and Strawbridge can add value and specialist knowledge that's currently missing to actually improve stuff, then fine by me. Whether or not Foster and co. should have all the knowledge they need is another argument, though a very valid one.
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Midfield is going to be really interesting, especially with Jordie Barrett throwing his hat into the ring. Tupaea appears to have second season syndrome, and has struggled on defence. Goodhue is overcoming his second combination ACL/MCL rupture, but it will be interesting to see how he goes by playoffs time. Ennor is well below international level as a centre.
Certainties:
Ioane
ALB(injured?)12 options:
Tupaea
Havili
RTS
J Barrett
Goodhue
(Umaga-Jensens need more game time to be considered)13 options:
Fainga'anuku
Goodhue
(PUJ needs more game time to be considered)We could see a back line such as the following at some stage this year, which would be interesting:
9 Smith
10 B Barrett
11 Clarke
12 J Barrett
13 R Ioane
14 Reece
15 Jordan -
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel you better get the tissues ready before reading this !!!!!
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel you better get the tissues ready before reading this !!!!!
I've barely watched a minute of rugby this year but now I'm ready to get back into the game! Fůck I'm ahead of the curve. When JB leads us to RWC glory next year at 12 all the naysayers can go root a giraffe.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel you better get the tissues ready before reading this !!!!!
I've barely watched a minute of rugby this year but now I'm ready to get back into the game! Fůck I'm ahead of the curve. When JB leads us to RWC glory next year at 12 all the naysayers can go root a giraffe.
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks 2022:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Gregor Paul suggests an AB backline:
A back three of Havili, Will Jordan and Caleb Clarke, a midfield of Jordie Barrett and Rieko Ioane, with Aaron Smith and Beauden Barrett as playmakers and the All Blacks may have their deadliest backline in years.
@Rancid-Schnitzel you better get the tissues ready before reading this !!!!!
I've barely watched a minute of rugby this year but now I'm ready to get back into the game! Fůck I'm ahead of the curve. When JB leads us to RWC glory next year at 12 all the naysayers can go root a giraffe.
I still remember his play in the last Lions tour, his distribution was excellent
