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  • KirwanK Kirwan

    @stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

    @number9 The Fern is too much of a hostile environment to them to be arrogant on here. But maybe you mean in the real world. That could be entirely true.

    Do you have Chris on ignore?

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    #746

    @kirwan I haven't noticed any arrogance from him. Just different opinions, which is a refreshing change.

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      While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

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        @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:

        While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

        The Saders are the Melbourne Storm of super rugby. Good players, some stars, well coached and disciplined. Decent players are given the chance to look much better than that

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        • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

          While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

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          Tim
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          @crazy-horse Scott Barrett too. Blues forwards were rather dominant at ruck and tackle situations last night. It was when we kicked the ball away continually that the Crusaders came right back into it.

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          • TimT Tim

            @crazy-horse Scott Barrett too. Blues forwards were rather dominant at ruck and tackle situations last night. It was when we kicked the ball away continually that the Crusaders came right back into it.

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            @tim That's a reason for not playing BB at 10.

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            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

              While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

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              @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:

              While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

              Good coaching, sure (I’d be happy with Razor as AB coach with the right assistants).

              But also some players are good at Super level and don’t make the step up.

              Add in talent is spread around the country, one on one matchups change the make up too.

              Final thing to consider is players like Taylor might be going backwards individually, or at least being overtaken. Just because the Crusaders as a team are playing well doesn’t mean all their players get in the All Blacks.

              That’s more a feather in the coaching groups cap. Individual selection then factors in form and the ability or potential to play Test rugby. And some players, like Bridge, have been tried and found wanting.

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                #752

                Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

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                  #753

                  @bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

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                    @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                    Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

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                    • M Mr Fish

                      @bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

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                      @mr-fish said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

                      Ummm.... the guy who's name I wrote...

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                      • antipodeanA antipodean

                        @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                        Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                        Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

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                        #756

                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                        Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                        Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                        One rock!

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                          Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                          One rock!

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                          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                          Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                          Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                          One rock!

                          Uhm:

                          @bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

                          Nankivell is shit

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                          • StargazerS Stargazer

                            @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                            Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                            Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                            One rock!

                            Uhm:

                            @bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

                            Nankivell is shit

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                            @stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                            Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                            Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                            One rock!

                            Uhm:

                            @bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

                            Nankivell is shit

                            Lies

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                            • KirwanK Kirwan

                              @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:

                              While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

                              Good coaching, sure (I’d be happy with Razor as AB coach with the right assistants).

                              But also some players are good at Super level and don’t make the step up.

                              Add in talent is spread around the country, one on one matchups change the make up too.

                              Final thing to consider is players like Taylor might be going backwards individually, or at least being overtaken. Just because the Crusaders as a team are playing well doesn’t mean all their players get in the All Blacks.

                              That’s more a feather in the coaching groups cap. Individual selection then factors in form and the ability or potential to play Test rugby. And some players, like Bridge, have been tried and found wanting.

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                              Tim
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                              @kirwan Also, a number of the Crusaders will be in the top 30 odd players in the country, but not in top 15.

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                              • BonesB Bones

                                @stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                                Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                                One rock!

                                Uhm:

                                @bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

                                Nankivell is shit

                                Lies

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                                #760

                                @bones :face_with_tears_of_joy:

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                                • BonesB Bones

                                  @stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @bones said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

                                  Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

                                  One rock!

                                  Uhm:

                                  @bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

                                  Nankivell is shit

                                  Lies

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                                  @bones love your work

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                                  • BonesB Bones

                                    @mr-fish said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

                                    Ummm.... the guy who's name I wrote...

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                                    @bones

                                    Assumed it was a mistake because of how poor Enari has been this year - but admittedly was not intently watching this afternoon's game.

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                                    • antipodeanA antipodean
                                      1. Aaron
                                      2. Beaudy
                                      3. Clarke
                                      4. Jordie
                                      5. Rieko
                                      6. Reece
                                      7. Jordan

                                      That's a starting backline I want to see. Power, size, speed and elusiveness. Reece is easily the best right wing in New Zealand. Jordan is too good not to start at fullback where he can get more opportunities. Clarke is the form left winger. Rieko is the form centre and has pace to burn. Aaron's pass can ensure Beaudy can run into space and if he needs to bail out, Jordie has the size and skillset to get over the advantage line.

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                                      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      1. Aaron
                                      2. Beaudy
                                      3. Clarke
                                      4. Jordie
                                      5. Rieko
                                      6. Reece
                                      7. Jordan

                                      That's exactly the backline I was thinking about when I posted my comment just before your post.

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                                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                        @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        1. Aaron
                                        2. Beaudy
                                        3. Clarke
                                        4. Jordie
                                        5. Rieko
                                        6. Reece
                                        7. Jordan

                                        That's exactly the backline I was thinking about when I posted my comment just before your post.

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                                        @bovidae

                                        I think they’d be wise to try it. I wonder what Beauden and Jordie at 10/-2 would look like. So far, Jordie has done fine at 12 (I havent watched todays game yet though).

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                                          Gotta say I would love to see J Savea come back and have a go at that try scoring record.

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