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Tim

@crazy-horse Scott Barrett too. Blues forwards were rather dominant at ruck and tackle situations last night. It was when we kicked the ball away continually that the Crusaders came right back into it.

Stargazer

@tim That's a reason for not playing BB at 10.

Kirwan

@crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2022:

While I don't necessarily disagree with this, but according to the Fern a first 15 AB team would arguably only have Whitelock, Jordan and possibly Reece from the Crusaders. Yet, they have been the bench mark as a team for the last few years and last night the Blues scraped home. Somebody must be doing something right. Coaching? A team being better than the sum of its parts?

Good coaching, sure (I’d be happy with Razor as AB coach with the right assistants).

But also some players are good at Super level and don’t make the step up.

Add in talent is spread around the country, one on one matchups change the make up too.

Final thing to consider is players like Taylor might be going backwards individually, or at least being overtaken. Just because the Crusaders as a team are playing well doesn’t mean all their players get in the All Blacks.

That’s more a feather in the coaching groups cap. Individual selection then factors in form and the ability or potential to play Test rugby. And some players, like Bridge, have been tried and found wanting.

Bones

Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

Mr Fish

@bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

antipodean

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

Bones

@mr-fish said in All Blacks 2022:

@bones Etene Nanai-Seturo or Ereatara Enari?

Ummm.... the guy who's name I wrote...

Bones

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

One rock!

Stargazer

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

One rock!

Uhm:

@bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

Nankivell is shit

Bones

@stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

@bones said in All Blacks 2022:

Enari and Nankivell putting their hands up in this match.

Nankivell not so much. Rocks and diamonds...

One rock!

Uhm:

@bones said in Chiefs vs Moana Pasifika:

Nankivell is shit

Lies

Tim

@kirwan Also, a number of the Crusaders will be in the top 30 odd players in the country, but not in top 15.

Stargazer

@bones :face_with_tears_of_joy:

nzzp

@bones love your work

Mr Fish

@bones

Assumed it was a mistake because of how poor Enari has been this year - but admittedly was not intently watching this afternoon's game.

Bovidae

@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

Aaron

Beaudy

Clarke

Jordie

Rieko

Reece

Jordan

That's exactly the backline I was thinking about when I posted my comment just before your post.

gt12

@bovidae

I think they’d be wise to try it. I wonder what Beauden and Jordie at 10/-2 would look like. So far, Jordie has done fine at 12 (I havent watched todays game yet though).

chimoaus

Gotta say I would love to see J Savea come back and have a go at that try scoring record.

junior

@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

I'm seriously worried about our playmakers.

Both BB and RM last night showed serious flaws for test level. BB still relies on moments of brilliance (as does RM) but showed zero tactical awareness and control. I'm not just talking about the last 10 minutes either. When he did try to play tactically his skills (in particular kicking from hand) really let him down.
RM just isn't up to it defensively and if you can't hide him (or the opposition seek him out) it is 2019 semifinal all over again.

Yes, both seriously gifted but just as limited players. We have to find a way that utilises both their strengths and nullifies their glaring weaknesses. I still think this means having one start and one finish, as it is clear now that having them both on the field at the same time only plays to their weak points rather than their strengths.

Bones

@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

Gotta say I would love to see J Savea come back and have a go at that try scoring record.

His form the last two weeks puts him ahead of Bridge in a very similar role. Jules' left boot is bigger though.

junior

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

Looking over the stats from last night, it's interesting reading, Mo'unga apparently only missed one tackle (made 3, missed 1), but it was a try conceding tackle and would be on that would interest international coaches (as @Crucial mentioned above).

Havili had a pretty good game on one side of the ball with a beautiful pass for a try assist, 7 runs, 3 defenders beaten, and 1 offload,. However, he missed 4 tackles (made 5) and I would say that international coaches will be examining those. I remember one was being stepped by Barrett but I think a couple of the others were related to the big runners coming down his channel (hope someone does a rewatch).

I think the point made above about defending in the line is a reasonable one for discussion, Barrett missed 3 tackles last night and made 2, but many here would argue that he is still a more effective defender that Mo'unga. For me, his shit kicking from hand and 4 turnovers were a problem, although one of those was a knock on that would have been a try if he regathered.

I also see that they've updated the tackle stats - Paps had 23 made, zero missed. like numbers for a guy who also got around the field so well. Given his size, we might be able to get away with Savea at 8 in a Rodders role if Paps can be the tackle machine and ball runner that Richie became during that time.

That also means we need a Jerry Collins equivalent in the 6 - buggered if i know who that might be

The Silver Fern

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