All Blacks 2022
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
It's not about age, it's about current ability
Taylor is on a decline and has been for some time. Coles plays better but has injury concerns.
Taylor had a massive 2021 SR ,Played well against the Blues last game his form maybe going up now,for me I don't think he is in decline just a below par patch there at the end of 2021 which all players have.
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@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
@KiwiMurph has this been due to the workload at Super?
Am sure they must have data around tested pre-during-post Super and then in and around AB camps for fitness and so on so would hopefully point to fatigue if it is a factor for these guys.
I do however agree Coles probably now sits behind ST (1) and CT (2) in the pecking order.
As good as Eklund has been, I'm not sure he will leapfrog Coles and Aumua for the 3rd role.
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@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level. -
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.The numbers for reserve hooker and reserve first five at the Saders backed that up - it's even worse when you think that now with enforced rest games, he and Mo'unga basically end up playing 80 every other game (especially if it is tight). I don't think that is setting him up to be effective when we get to test rugby, he just looked fucked last year.
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@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldn’t have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldn’t have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldn’t have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
Clarke
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
Clarke
@Duluth sure, or clarke, or both rotating
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Wouldn’t be shocked if they have convinced themselves that some measure of “workrate” is all important, and are ignoring what is right in front of them.
Would explain a senile Grant Fox’s great enthusiasm for the utterly hopeless George Bridge.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Wouldn’t be shocked if they have convinced themselves that some measure of “workrate” is all important, and are ignoring what is right in front of them.
Would explain a senile Grant Fox’s great enthusiasm for the utterly hopeless George Bridge.
Mate, if you don't think workrate is important for a rugby player, I not sure I would be dumb or insulting enough to call Fox senile.
Honest question do posters using insulting terms of selectors coaches, players etc think it impresses people? I usually consider it more a reflection of the person posting. That's not just at you Tim, but a genuine question why people do it. I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc. -
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Wouldn’t be shocked if they have convinced themselves that some measure of “workrate” is all important, and are ignoring what is right in front of them.
Would explain a senile Grant Fox’s great enthusiasm for the utterly hopeless George Bridge.
Mate, if you don't think workrate is important for a rugby player, I not sure I would be dumb or insulting enough to call Fox senile.
Honest question do posters using insulting terms of selectors coaches, players etc think it impresses people? I usually consider it more a reflection of the person posting. That's not just at you Tim, but a genuine question why people do it. I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Wouldn’t be shocked if they have convinced themselves that some measure of “workrate” is all important, and are ignoring what is right in front of them.
Would explain a senile Grant Fox’s great enthusiasm for the utterly hopeless George Bridge.
Mate, if you don't think workrate is important for a rugby player, I not sure I would be dumb or insulting enough to call Fox senile.
Honest question do posters using insulting terms of selectors coaches, players etc think it impresses people? I usually consider it more a reflection of the person posting. That's not just at you Tim, but a genuine question why people do it. I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.It certainly wouldn’t be from too many head knocks while tackling in his playing days
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Wouldn’t be shocked if they have convinced themselves that some measure of “workrate” is all important, and are ignoring what is right in front of them.
Would explain a senile Grant Fox’s great enthusiasm for the utterly hopeless George Bridge.
Mate, if you don't think workrate is important for a rugby player, I not sure I would be dumb or insulting enough to call Fox senile.
Honest question do posters using insulting terms of selectors coaches, players etc think it impresses people? I usually consider it more a reflection of the person posting. That's not just at you Tim, but a genuine question why people do it. I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.
He was certainly quite defensive when he was interviewed in the last couple of years, came across as quite stubborn.
Fox did a really good job as selector but probably stuck around a year or two too long (I think initially he was planning to call it quits at end of RWC 2019 but then agreed to hang around to help Fozzie).
A fresh set of eyes in Schmidt should be well received.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.The numbers for reserve hooker and reserve first five at the Saders backed that up - it's even worse when you think that now with enforced rest games, he and Mo'unga basically end up playing 80 every other game (especially if it is tight). I don't think that is setting him up to be effective when we get to test rugby, he just looked fucked last year.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.The numbers for reserve hooker and reserve first five at the Saders backed that up - it's even worse when you think that now with enforced rest games, he and Mo'unga basically end up playing 80 every other game (especially if it is tight). I don't think that is setting him up to be effective when we get to test rugby, he just looked fucked last year.
Yeah I agree the Crusaders need to recruit a viable 2nd hooker who can effectively carry some of the workload.
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Anyone know when the dates get confirmed for the Tests this year? Doesn't seem to be anything online
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Anyone know when the dates get confirmed for the Tests this year? Doesn't seem to be anything online
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone know when the dates get confirmed for the Tests this year? Doesn't seem to be anything online
Irish travel sites are saying the 3 tests are
Saturday 2nd July
Saturday 9th July
Saturday 16th JulyThese dates line up exactly with England's tour of Aus.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone know when the dates get confirmed for the Tests this year? Doesn't seem to be anything online
European Travel sites have the tests as July 2nd,9th and 16th
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.
He was certainly quite defensive when he was interviewed in the last couple of years, came across as quite stubborn.
Fox did a really good job as selector but probably stuck around a year or two too long (I think initially he was planning to call it quits at end of RWC 2019 but then agreed to hang around to help Fozzie).
A fresh set of eyes in Schmidt should be well received.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I have never seen any idnication that Grant Fox is senile when I heard him speak etc.
He was certainly quite defensive when he was interviewed in the last couple of years, came across as quite stubborn.
Fox did a really good job as selector but probably stuck around a year or two too long (I think initially he was planning to call it quits at end of RWC 2019 but then agreed to hang around to help Fozzie).
A fresh set of eyes in Schmidt should be well received.
Yep he wanted to call it quits after WC, and I think was waiting for Schmidt to become available.Also coming across as a bit stubborn is hardly mean he's senile. I don't see why he hung around to long, haven't really seen anyone in last year or 2 who should of been in or our of ABs. Especially added into fact I haven't seen proper reports etc of players training, and I certainly haven't been at anywhere near as many matches to actually watch the players as the Selectors. A few here may of been at lots of games, but I have only been at a few.
