All Blacks 2022
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2022:
People keep wanting to get rid of Laulala, but he's the only decent scrummager at TH in this country so unless someone can do it better, then he stays there with Tu'ungafasi off the bench.
The old Owen Franks argument, that never really has anything behind it other than gut feel, right? What is it that proves he's the only decent scummager?
@Bones Franks was a quality tighthead for a very long time, and was brilliant at shifting bodies at breakdown time imo but sadly is remembered for the last 2-3 years of his career, and what proves that he's the only decent scrummager imo is watching how Tu'ungafasi, Lomax and especially Ta'avao struggle there. Tu'ungafasi is the best out of those 3 and the best all round prop, but isn't a better scrummager than Laulala.
Unless Newell keeps developing the way he is, then Laulala will continue to start at tighthead.
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@Bones Franks was a quality tighthead for a very long time, and was brilliant at shifting bodies at breakdown time imo but sadly is remembered for the last 2-3 years of his career, and what proves that he's the only decent scrummager imo is watching how Tu'ungafasi, Lomax and especially Ta'avao struggle there. Tu'ungafasi is the best out of those 3 and the best all round prop, but isn't a better scrummager than Laulala.
Unless Newell keeps developing the way he is, then Laulala will continue to start at tighthead.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2022:
what proves that he's the only decent scrummager imo is watching how Tu'ungafasi, Lomax and especially Ta'avao struggle there. Tu'ungafasi is the best out of those 3 and the best all round prop, but isn't a better scrummager than Laulala.
That's what I'm trying to figure out though - does he get penalised less? Win more tightheads? What is it?
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I don't think they should be putting Rieko back on the wing again barring an injury emergency. He's established himself as a 13 now and is an absolute weapon for us there.
In my match day 23 I'd be looking at Goodhue and Rieko combo with ALB on the bench covering both positions.
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My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2022:
what proves that he's the only decent scrummager imo is watching how Tu'ungafasi, Lomax and especially Ta'avao struggle there. Tu'ungafasi is the best out of those 3 and the best all round prop, but isn't a better scrummager than Laulala.
That's what I'm trying to figure out though - does he get penalised less? Win more tightheads? What is it?
@Bones He can hold his side up, allowing us a platform to attack from on, and yes, doesn't get penalised on defensive scrums. I remember when he went off against the Boks in townsville and they piled on the pressure on Tu'ungafasi who gave away multiple scrum penalties which nearly cost us the test.
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My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
@No-Quarter so goodhues done enough to overtake ALB already
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@No-Quarter so goodhues done enough to overtake ALB already
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter so goodhues done enough to overtake ALB already
I'm fine with either starting, but feel ALB offers more from the bench in terms of cover and impact
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter so goodhues done enough to overtake ALB already
I'm fine with either starting, but feel ALB offers more from the bench in terms of cover and impact
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
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@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@African-Monkey So do we follow the Boks lead and play each front row 40 mins?
I think we have to move on from Big Karl. Whether it's age or something else, but both Laulala and Tu’inukuafe contributed so much more around the field when at the Chiefs. I know Tu’inukuafe has had his health issues but he doesn't currently look like he can even play a full half.
Worrying times if guys can't contribute around the field because they're 29 and 30!
The other thing Fozzie said of interest is that positions causing most difficulty are midfield, loose forwards and front row (he listed them in that order and seemed like it was in order of his priority - front row came not quite as an after-thought, but somewhat tacked on).
Which in some ways is more revealing that he's more settled at lock, inside and outside backs.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.Along with Dave Rennie? Rennie and Belamy we're in the same box.
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My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
Best to find an alternative. Don't think he's bringing much off the bench this year.
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@No-Quarter so goodhues done enough to overtake ALB already
@Yeahtheboys isn't he out for a fair while?
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2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND -
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.Along with Dave Rennie? Rennie and Belamy we're in the same box.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.Along with Dave Rennie? Rennie and Belamy we're in the same box.
For the highlanders game They we’re ,then Bellamy was in the crusaders box for their game,Rennie wasn’t.
It is in the article belowhttps://forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4724/crusaders-2022/503
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2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND@Bovidae Thats fucken weird that we play SA twice in SA and play Argentina twice in NZ during the Rugby Championship. I noticed that the three Bledisloe games were announced in Feb but clearly clash with the Rugby Championship so I assume the third Bledisloe is still unknown?
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@Bovidae Thats fucken weird that we play SA twice in SA and play Argentina twice in NZ during the Rugby Championship. I noticed that the three Bledisloe games were announced in Feb but clearly clash with the Rugby Championship so I assume the third Bledisloe is still unknown?
I think it must be for player welfare. Basically two super long round trips there and back in a week are avoided, replaced by one super-long trip that is a fortnight long.
Presumably next year it will be the other way round.
I quite like it.
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@Bovidae Thats fucken weird that we play SA twice in SA and play Argentina twice in NZ during the Rugby Championship. I noticed that the three Bledisloe games were announced in Feb but clearly clash with the Rugby Championship so I assume the third Bledisloe is still unknown?
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I think it must be for player welfare. Basically two super long round trips there and back in a week are avoided, replaced by one super-long trip that is a fortnight long.
Presumably next year it will be the other way round.
I quite like it.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks 2022:
I think it must be for player welfare. Basically two super long round trips there and back in a week are avoided, replaced by one super-long trip that is a fortnight long.
Presumably next year it will be the other way round.
I quite like it.
Yeah its interesting and a real challenge for NZ in SA but hey we need a good test. Looks like Australia got the rub of the green hosting SA at home and away to Argentina.
