All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Akira has been exactly same, he has one good test where our tighties gave Aus a hiding
Not sure where this 'one test,' comes from.
Akira has had numerous good tests that really stand out
- Argentina test 2 2020
- Bledisloe test 2 2021
- Bledisloe test 3 2021
He also played well in other tests (he was excellent for 20 mins on debut Bledisloe 3 in Brisbane 2020 when ABs were under the pump until he had to go off as Ofa got red carded) but those in particular stand out.
Now Akira had a chance to nail down the 6 jersey vs Boks last year and failed to do so in both games - hence the jersey is still up for grabs.
The only test i can think of that comes to mind for Frizell where he played well was off the bench vs Fiji test 2 last year when the result was not in the balance. Other than that it's a whole bunch of meh - his ball running in particular just doesn't translate.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Akira has been exactly same, he has one good test where our tighties gave Aus a hiding
Not sure where this 'one test,' comes from.
Akira has had numerous good tests that really stand out
- Argentina test 2 2020
- Bledisloe test 2 2021
- Bledisloe test 3 2021
He also played well in other tests (he was excellent for 20 mins on debut Bledisloe 3 in Brisbane 2020 when ABs were under the pump until he had to go off as Ofa got red carded) but those in particular stand out.
Now Akira had a chance to nail down the 6 jersey vs Boks last year and failed to do so in both games - hence the jersey is still up for grabs.
The only test i can think of that comes to mind for Frizell where he played well was off the bench vs Fiji test 2 last year when the result was not in the balance. Other than that it's a whole bunch of meh - his ball running in particular just doesn't translate.
Akira has seldom put together a good lot of work, though he getting better, he has tended to be up and down, but that also maybe works in with tighties. But regardless as I said I would have Akira at 6 if he plays well for rest of Super, as I said about Frizzell was only on this years form. And since he been injured Jacobson has probably looked best at 6. I made comment on what has happened in Super so far this year, and is why at this stage I thinking Jacobson. As I said in first post up until he was injured I reckoned Frizzell would first pick, I was not saying that would be case at end of super, just a few got their panties in a twist. Akira wasn't playing and Jacobson had only had a game or 2. I real keen on Blackadder, but not convinced he a test 6, he looks a bloody good 6.5?
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/where-damian-mckenzie-is-a-better-fit-than-richie-mounga/
Loads of bs in that article. Lots of picking examples to suit his argument. If I could be bothered (and had the time) I could pick huge holes in their so-called analysis. The BB-Dmac combo didn't work at all; history is being re-written here. Also, the Mo'unga-BB combo didn't work because BB kept playing as a 10 at fullback (two captains on a ship won't work either). That's why that combo was ditched, but only after the RWC.
Mo'unga at test level can work with a game plan that suits his style of playing and makes use of his strengths. We haven't seen that gameplan yet though.
It has also been said hundreds of times that we lost that RWC semi because the pack didn't do its job (partially because of stupid selections), but hey, blaming Mo'unga is so easy aye?Hey Ben if you're reading this (I'm pretty sure you're here on the Fern), you're a bit too transparent, but hey, it will give you clicks.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/where-damian-mckenzie-is-a-better-fit-than-richie-mounga/
Loads of bs in that article. Lots of picking examples to suit his argument. If I could be bothered (and had the time) I could pick huge holes in their so-called analysis. The BB-Dmac combo didn't work at all; history is being re-written here. Also, the Mo'unga-BB combo didn't work because BB kept playing as a 10 at fullback (two captains on a ship won't work either). That's why that combo was ditched, but only after the RWC.
Mo'unga at test level can work with a game plan that suits his style of playing and makes use of his strengths. We haven't seen that gameplan yet though.
It has also been said hundreds of times that we lost that RWC semi because the pack didn't do its job (partially because of stupid selections), but hey, blaming Mo'unga is so easy aye?Hey Ben if you're reading this (I'm pretty sure you're here on the Fern), you're a bit too transparent, but hey, it will give you clicks.
Not sure about your comment on BB playing at 10, because if you watch the Crusaders you will see Havili does same, seems to suit RM playing as second playmaker.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia I would prefer Frizzell not mentioned in the same breath as the ABs. May using that physique to carry bags.
Mate if Frizzell is fit and playing like he was this season , he will be first picked at 6.
What?
His Super form has never translated to test level.
The 6 shirt is up for grabs.
Blackadder and Akira are ahead of Frizell. I'd have Papali'i and Jacobson ahead of him too at 6.
Agree, and has he ever actually shown much form at Super level? I mean he's been decent but hasn't consistently dominated like the others you mention. He's just been picked on potential alone, time to move on.
You obviously didn't watch a lot of super rugby especially this year, almos every pundit had him as the best 6 in NZ , and I didn't think it was close. And no I not a Highlanders' man , just someone who watches evrything and everyone.
I watched him miss 6 tackles and make 6 tackles vs the Crusaders - meanwhile in the same game Blackadder made over 20 tackles and only missed 1.
No you are being a bit untruthful, you read some ESPN stats that reckoned that, and I understand that's how you chose to pick your team on ESPN stats. I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
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Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
Who the hells Paul Cully isn't he some writer for Sydney Morning Herald. No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
That is in no way saying none of us are entitled to opinion, everyone is. Just you asked me who were any pundits I take notice of, and then name who you think is oI should be ?
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Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
i think until last year he'd stopped others getting more than a game or two in a row to prove themselves becuase he kept getting chances
I sit very much between the two view points, i feel he is/can be very mobile and attacking, scored a hatrick on debut at super level....but cant convert on the big stage, dont know if it is just because its against higher level opposition or there is some mental aspect, like reverse nonu who tended to get better in the black jersey
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
i think until last year he'd stopped others getting more than a game or two in a row to prove themselves becuase he kept getting chances
I sit very much between the two view points, i feel he is/can be very mobile and attacking, scored a hatrick on debut at super level....but cant convert on the big stage, dont know if it is just because its against higher level opposition or there is some mental aspect, like reverse nonu who tended to get better in the black jersey
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
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@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
just to be clear...i was a highlanders fan in 2013....he was atrocious...but even that year played well for the AB's (from memory)
maybe frizzel will...but there are other i think need to be given as much of a chance before he gets another
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@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
For the ABs, not as a starter. Maybe as a sub?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height. -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Machpants we tried that already haven't we?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@taniwharugby Cane, A Savea and ?
@Stargazer Dalton, I thought they ran out together last year at one point.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.I have a recollection of him doing really well at 8 for the chiefs a few years back.
