All Blacks 2022
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia I would prefer Frizzell not mentioned in the same breath as the ABs. May using that physique to carry bags.
Mate if Frizzell is fit and playing like he was this season , he will be first picked at 6.
What?
His Super form has never translated to test level.
The 6 shirt is up for grabs.
Blackadder and Akira are ahead of Frizell. I'd have Papali'i and Jacobson ahead of him too at 6.
Agree, and has he ever actually shown much form at Super level? I mean he's been decent but hasn't consistently dominated like the others you mention. He's just been picked on potential alone, time to move on.
You obviously didn't watch a lot of super rugby especially this year, almos every pundit had him as the best 6 in NZ , and I didn't think it was close. And no I not a Highlanders' man , just someone who watches evrything and everyone.
I watched him miss 6 tackles and make 6 tackles vs the Crusaders - meanwhile in the same game Blackadder made over 20 tackles and only missed 1.
No you are being a bit untruthful, you read some ESPN stats that reckoned that, and I understand that's how you chose to pick your team on ESPN stats. I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
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Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will keep doing it on what I see, and respected rugby pundits.
I'd be interested in who these respected rugby pundits are? Paul Cully who lives in Dunedin?
The reason there is push back on Frizell is his test form is underwhelming - how many more chances is he going to get? This will be his 5th year in the ABs and he simply hasn't delivered. I'm not a real big fan of going up against Ireland with a guy at 6 who simply hasn't taken his chances (and that's leaving aside his off field stuff).
Who the hells Paul Cully isn't he some writer for Sydney Morning Herald. No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
That is in no way saying none of us are entitled to opinion, everyone is. Just you asked me who were any pundits I take notice of, and then name who you think is oI should be ?
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Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
i think until last year he'd stopped others getting more than a game or two in a row to prove themselves becuase he kept getting chances
I sit very much between the two view points, i feel he is/can be very mobile and attacking, scored a hatrick on debut at super level....but cant convert on the big stage, dont know if it is just because its against higher level opposition or there is some mental aspect, like reverse nonu who tended to get better in the black jersey
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Frizell had a good test vs Argentina early on and there was one vs Australia in 2020 where he spent the day trucking it up at first receiver where I thought he was good. Mainly he's been OK without being outstanding.
He's bigger and less mobile than our other options and they've used him tighter, so you don't see him making big runs in the tramlines.
Simple fact is though, that no-one has consistently nailed 6. I hope someone does this year and I don't care who it is.
i think until last year he'd stopped others getting more than a game or two in a row to prove themselves becuase he kept getting chances
I sit very much between the two view points, i feel he is/can be very mobile and attacking, scored a hatrick on debut at super level....but cant convert on the big stage, dont know if it is just because its against higher level opposition or there is some mental aspect, like reverse nonu who tended to get better in the black jersey
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
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@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
just to be clear...i was a highlanders fan in 2013....he was atrocious...but even that year played well for the AB's (from memory)
maybe frizzel will...but there are other i think need to be given as much of a chance before he gets another
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@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
For the ABs, not as a starter. Maybe as a sub?
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height. -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Yay 3 7s in the loose forwards
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@Machpants we tried that already haven't we?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@taniwharugby Cane, A Savea and ?
@Stargazer Dalton, I thought they ran out together last year at one point.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
Sounds like someone never followed Michael Jones’s career
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.I have a recollection of him doing really well at 8 for the chiefs a few years back.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
