All Blacks 2022
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Has Cane ever played 6?
Weird they have been so insistent on having at 7.
He is the hardest hitting loose forward we have with a high work rate. Seems like he'd be good there - bar the lack of lineout height.I have a recollection of him doing really well at 8 for the chiefs a few years back.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble He may suddenly become the answer, then - like Nonu.
I hope someone does. Foster & McDonald seem to have got the best out of Akira in the last year or two so perhaps he (or Frizzell) will kick on.
You weren't around here in 2007, but Nonu's name was mud and no-one wanted him near the ABs (me and a guy called Mojo were the last to give up on him).
I distinctly recall someone writing, "Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu"!
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
Has Cane ever played 6?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
@ACT-Crusader It was quite a remarkable turnaround.
2007 he had 2 appearances off the bench for the ABs and got dropped. (One of those I can still recall was a 5 minute nightmare, where I finally conceded he wasn't up to going to the RWC).
2008 he played 17 tests and was a firm fixture by the end.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
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@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
@ACT-Crusader also needs to move to 12...I mean what good is a superb kicking and passing game at 6?
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@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dice said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It was also said he might be crap in Super Rugby, but put a Black jersey on him and all hell broke loose. Ma'a may have had brain-farts in his early career, but it was clear he was working hard on his game. Can we say the same about Frizzell?
That certainly wasn't the tenor of the discussion here in 2007. Nonu was about as welcome in the ABs as George Bridge.
I think Nonu even mentioned it that missing the 07 RWC squad was a real wake-up call moment in his career.
Frizzell needs to miss the 2023 RWC squad to fulfill his potential..
Haha.
Although if he’s following the Nonu path, he needs to make 2023, get dropped for 2027 and then from 2028-2031 be an absolute gun and be a key piece for the 2031 RWC
He went to the 2019 RWC, so he needs to miss 2023 to be on the Nonu path.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Sounds like someone isn't living in the past.
That’s where you learn all the good tricks like not turning fullbacks into centres, especially not in World Cup year.
Don't drop your hardest hitting tackler for a card magnet playing out of position can be added to that list.
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Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
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Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
I always hoped he’d go on to great things, he always looked good when he got a chance at the Canes if he snuck past Umaga, Nonu and Smith.
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Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
I always hoped he’d go on to great things, he always looked good when he got a chance at the Canes if he snuck past Umaga, Nonu and Smith.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
Hamilton vs Bridge would be worth the ticket price alone.......
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
Depends on if you consider Jesus God or the son of God? But I'm sure there can be both a Maori and Tongan Jesus.
TBH, while I thought Tuipulotou was a good player I never consider him to be at Jesus status.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
Depends on if you consider Jesus God or the son of God? But I'm sure there can be both a Maori and Tongan Jesus.
TBH, while I thought Tuipulotou was a good player I never consider him to be at Jesus status.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
Depends on if you consider Jesus God or the son of God? But I'm sure there can be both a Maori and Tongan Jesus.
TBH, while I thought Tuipulotou was a good player I never consider him to be at Jesus status.
I think he scored a try ages ago when he steamrolled Corne Krige nice and emphatically. That was pretty cool.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
I enjoy listening to that podcast but with one player current and another player not very long retired they don't critique too many players. There is a lot of praise thrown around - Bryn Hall's team of the week is typically stacked with Crusaders and Parsons is very Blues-centric as he's so tight with the whole squad. They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
Why move Cane at this late stage of his career, if you can move Papali'i?
isn;t that a pretty normal suggestion, as players slow slightly move them and let the new younger guy have a shot in their prefered position
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Nonu and 2007 makes me think of the Junior All Blacks Team that played in the Pacific Nations Cup.
Nonu wasn't the only player to miss the 2007 RWC that came back into the ABs fold - Weepu, Cory Jane and Kaino come to mind.
Here's the AB team that beat Austalia A 50 points to nil in Dunedin in 2007.
Junior All Blacks: Cory Jane, Scott Hamilton, Ma'a Nonu, Sam Tuitupou, Anthony Tuitavake, Stephen Donald, Andrew Ellis; Sione Lauaki, Marty Holah (capt), Jerome Kaino, Tom Donnelly, Hoani MacDonald, John Afoa, Derren Witcombe, Clarke Dermody. Res: Corey Flynn, Campbell Johnstone, Mose Tuiali'i, Daniel Braid, Jimmy Cowan, Stephen Brett, Tane Tu'ipulotu.
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson -
@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson
