All Blacks 2022
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@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
I prefer Goodhue at 12, just think he lacks a little pace for being a 13.
And putting my hand up as an internet warrior who thought he was doing to be a real top 13 when he came onto scene, just not sure he has ever kicked on though. -
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
Ritchie
do not
I wrote it right and then had second thoughts and changed it!
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
Yes, BUT we need to try some things now and then settle on combo for last ten games to RWC.
Goodhue is in my 23, but I prefer him at 13.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
Yes, BUT we need to try some things now and then settle on combo for last ten games to RWC.
Goodhue is in my 23, but I prefer him at 13.
Why this fixation with locking in a combo? I get the importance of it in the past but these days teams don't miss a beat with personnel changes given the training and importance placed on understudies and cover.
Yes, some players are the better option and some combos play together more than others so the instincts can be better, but I don't think it is as important as in the past. If anything having a locked in combo for 10 tests is an opposition team analyst dream and also keeps back up and alternate options rusty.
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@kiwi_expat I think if the All Black's want to improve on their game this is the obvious move when you take into account the form of Will Jordan. Infact, if we don't see the Jordie at 12 / Jordan at 15 combination early into the test season, then it just reiterates to me that the wrong person is incharge of this All Black's side.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat I think if the All Black's want to improve on their game this is the obvious move when you take into account the form of Will Jordan. Infact, if we don't see the Jordie at 12 / Jordan at 15 combination early into the test season, then it just reiterates to me that the wrong person is incharge of this All Black's side.
Will Jordans best attribute is being able to anticipate and use his speed and game reading to pop up in useful places. The ball seems to bounce his way more often than not and he has the ability to take advantage of opportunities.
In test rugby the fullback has to play 'up and down' the field a bit more which constrains those abilities. Isn't one of the dislikes of DMac in tests is that when he goes searching it puts pressure on others to cover?
I think that right at this moment Jordan is best employed with a roaming licence on the wing. If that becomes less effective then 15 would be his best spot.EDIT: DMac wasn't placed on the wing enough IMO. His stats show that he was very effective there in test rugby.
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just sort of an in general comment
the last time i remember us looking at a team reshape before a world cup was in 2010, the season after the very shit 2009.
The selectors changed almost half the squad, 13 changes to a 30 man squad. Only one would i consider to be a given, and that was Carter coming back.
Of the 13 i think 8 went on to make the World Cup squad.
lots of 2007 RWC team members out. Guys like Dagg, Cruden, Kahui, Vito, Boric brought inSo a big set of changes at this exact point is not without precedent.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
just sort of an in general comment
the last time i remember us looking at a team reshape before a world cup was in 2010, the season after the very shit 2009.
The selectors changed almost half the squad, 13 changes to a 30 man squad. Only one would i consider to be a given, and that was Carter coming back.
Of the 13 i think 8 went on to make the World Cup squad.
lots of 2007 RWC team members out. Guys like Dagg, Cruden, Kahui, Vito, Boric brought inSo a big set of changes at this exact point is not without precedent.
Can you see a lot of changes in personnel though?
I'm not convinced there's a large pool of untried players on the verge of selection.
Couple of props, maybe a barely eligible halfback and RTS.
Edit: and 3rd 10 in Perofeta
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
I prefer Goodhue at 12, just think he lacks a little pace for being a 13.
And putting my hand up as an internet warrior who thought he was doing to be a real top 13 when he came onto scene, just not sure he has ever kicked on though.@Dan54 tbf he has had injury issues, I mean he seems like he has been about for years but played less than 20 tests.
He is the kind of player teams need, but he isn't that mythical x-factor player people always want either.
I hope he gets a chance again, but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't, so many options have emerged following his injury last year and he is slowly easing back to super rugby.
With my Northland hat on, stoked if he doesn't get picked in black.
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@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
By who?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Whoosh
Poached
Riiight
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
By who?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
By who?
@FakatavaFuture said in Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?:
would be keen to see TJP in this squad and maybe even being Captain!
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
Yes, BUT we need to try some things now and then settle on combo for last ten games to RWC.
Goodhue is in my 23, but I prefer him at 13.
Backs: Nugget/BB/RTS/Rieko/Clarke/WJ/Jordie. Bench: FC(Fakatava)/Richie[Edit]/JackG.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
Yes, BUT we need to try some things now and then settle on combo for last ten games to RWC.
Goodhue is in my 23, but I prefer him at 13.
Backs: Nugget/BB/RTS/Rieko/Clarke/WJ/Jordie. Bench: FC(Fakatava)/Richie[Edit]/JackG.
How many games of Union has RTS played now?
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If Jordan were to play 15 , who are most picking to play 14 ?
I’m tipping the back 3 will be Clarke , Jordie , Jordan with tupaea starting at 12 atm .
Not saying that’s the right way , more so how I predict they will go.
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If Jordan were to play 15 , who are most picking to play 14 ?
I’m tipping the back 3 will be Clarke , Jordie , Jordan with tupaea starting at 12 atm .
Not saying that’s the right way , more so how I predict they will go.
@kiwiinmelb Reece at 14.
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If Jordan were to play 15 , who are most picking to play 14 ?
I’m tipping the back 3 will be Clarke , Jordie , Jordan with tupaea starting at 12 atm .
Not saying that’s the right way , more so how I predict they will go.
I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and he played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
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I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and he played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
End of the day, I think how well our pack goes will determine how well we go overall more so than who wears what number in the backline IMO
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
End of the day, I think how well our pack goes will determine how well we go overall more so than who wears what number in the backline IMO
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
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@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
I dont believe we are short of talent , particularly in the backs
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
I dont believe we are short of talent , particularly in the backs
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
I dont believe we are short of talent , particularly in the backs
Yeah it is the fact our forwards are dominated and don't have the skills (or can't employ them) of the best teams now, and our game plan/structure hasn't really changed since 2016
