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  • A ARHS

    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Chris-B DMac has to play NPC before he can be selected

    What about for NZ Maoris?

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    @ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Chris-B DMac has to play NPC before he can be selected

    What about for NZ Maoris?

    Same rules, I would imagine

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    • M Machpants

      @ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Chris-B DMac has to play NPC before he can be selected

      What about for NZ Maoris?

      Same rules, I would imagine

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      @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

      @ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Chris-B DMac has to play NPC before he can be selected

      What about for NZ Maoris?

      Same rules, I would imagine

      It's to do with how NZRPA contracts work. You must get an NZR contract and play for your province of choice before you are eligible for higher (representative) selection (unless you have a signed Super Rugby contract)
      Same situation as TJP had. Let your conttact expire and you have to qualify for a new one.

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      • M Machpants

        @Chris-B Interestingly Foster said

        “36 [players] for the first squad, that’s sort of a standard Steinlager Series-sized squad, but that can change,” Foster told The Breakdown.

        “Maybe it won’t go up, but it could change slightly down based on injuries and who we have left standing after Super Rugby.”

        To me that means if, say, ALB is unavailable they may not pick someone to cover him unless they really need to - they are going to tightly focus on who they want. Really any non capped players have got the proverbial ice cubes hope in hell I think

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        @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

        @Chris-B Interestingly Foster said

        “36 [players] for the first squad, that’s sort of a standard Steinlager Series-sized squad, but that can change,” Foster told The Breakdown.

        “Maybe it won’t go up, but it could change slightly down based on injuries and who we have left standing after Super Rugby.”

        To me that means if, say, ALB is unavailable they may not pick someone to cover him unless they really need to - they are going to tightly focus on who they want. Really any non capped players have got the proverbial ice cubes hope in hell I think

        I reckon he'll pick 36 if he's allowed to - unless there's a whole heap of injured players and he's reaching the point in the barrel where he'd have to start picking people who are pretty clearly never going to be test standard.

        I think there will be one or two uncapped players. I could easily see Newell making it and maybe a loosehead prop. RTS or Sullivan in the midfield - maybe even TUG. Faingaanuku or Perofeta in the outside backs.

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          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

          @booboo Tu'ungufasi should be a big step up on last year's props. Hodgman at loose head, Taukei'aho at hooker. That should give us a big improvement over the first 50 minutes of last year's games - we'd lost the matches at that point against Ireland and France.

          Even having Barrett available might prove a difference over the geriatric duo used on the last EOYT.

          I like to see Newell get game time this year, maybe Norris too.

          Opinions on Ross as a loose head? An all-rounder, but not particularly good at anything?

          At TH, Nepo and Ofa are baked in. Then a question of what wanted from third prop. If around the field versatility Angus T's the man. If scummaging, with Mafileo out it would be between Franks (!) or Newell, who certainly seems one for the future.

          On LH much harder. Karl best scrummager, but signed for France. Hodgman superb around field/lineouts but not top level test standard in scrum. De Groot and Bower seem a bit in between. Ross seems good in scrum and pretty useful round field. Norris similar but strengths the other way around.

          I'd be inclined to select Nepo at 3, to take some pressure off the starting LH (insert name). Ofa and Hodgman could be very useful off bench.

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          @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

          On LH much harder. Karl best scrummager, but signed for France. Hodgman superb around field/lineouts but not top level test standard in scrum. De Groot and Bower seem a bit in between. Ross seems good in scrum and pretty useful round field. Norris similar but strengths the other way around.

          You've got to think he got the word to leave the year before the RWC

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            So........will there be any real bolters?
            I am getting the depressing feeling from readng the above that the squad is going to look almost exactly the same as last year.
            Want to see Newell and RTS selected.

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            • F Frank

              So........will there be any real bolters?
              I am getting the depressing feeling from readng the above that the squad is going to look almost exactly the same as last year.
              Want to see Newell and RTS selected.

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              @Frank if not a traditional bolter (say when they picked Tupou Vaai back in 2020) there is typically at least a rookie or two.

              There are also players that will come in due to injury as the season gets underway (think Samisoni last year)

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                #1778

                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

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                  Maybe the ABs should make the upgrade to Tom Coventry next year.

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                  • C cgrant

                    With Moody out, I guess the LH spot will be given to Bower. Does he have the necessary strength and technique to neutralize Tagh Furlong ? I have many doubts about it. Hodgman would be destroyed by the big Irishman at scrum time, so would Norris. So what are the options left ? Karl T ? He can scrummage but against the Oirish, you may expect to make a lot of tackles, so he is clearly not the best at this. De Groot ? I have yet to see him against a first class opposition. Despite his impressive size, I think he punches well under his weight. Due to a lack of mongrel ? Ross ? He did more than holding his own against Tupou but he won't get the same leniency from the ref at scrum time. So who's left ? I could see a starting combo of Ofa T (though he is better THP) and Laulala, with Hodgman (or Bower) and Newell on the bench.

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                    @cgrant Tbh the Irish scrum isn't that strong and Furlong has been dominated by his opposites this year. The Bok scrum will be the real test imo, I think we will hold our own against the Irish and possibly even get the better of them.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                      If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                      At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                      He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                      On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

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                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                      If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                      At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                      He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                      On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

                      Someone needs to email this to Foster, this is a well written article which makes total sense.

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                      • TimT Tim

                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                        If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                        At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                        He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                        On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

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                        @Tim I must admit I had written Eklund off given he couldn't start ahead of Parsons. Parsons ffs. He's proven some doubters wrong this year.

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                          Bovidae
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                          Eklund playing for the Māori will give us a good idea if he has the game for the next level. He is a small hooker.

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            Eklund playing for the Māori will give us a good idea if he has the game for the next level. He is a small hooker.

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                            @Bovidae yeah, a bit small, and throwing a bit dodgy. Keeps getting better though.

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                              Judging from the journalist comments etc seems that there will be no young props in the squad.

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                                @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                                If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                                At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                                He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                                On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

                                Someone needs to email this to Foster, this is a well written article which makes total sense.

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                                @number9 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                                If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                                At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                                He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                                On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

                                Someone needs to email this to Foster, this is a well written article which makes total sense.

                                Article lost credibility when it suggested that Pat T needed to come back into the side.

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                                  https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                  Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

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                                  • TimT Tim

                                    https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                    Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

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                                    @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                    Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

                                    …..because there’s every chance he’s hit his ceiling and it’s all downhill from here.

                                    Whitelock and Retallick have combined for over 200 test matches and performed magnificently but how long can they go on for ?

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                      Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

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                                      @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                      Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

                                      Can I ask what indicators?

                                      I know he didn’t go that well last year but didn’t really get a chance so far this year.
                                      I’d give him a couple of games at least to make judgements.

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        @number9 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                                        If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                                        At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                                        He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                                        On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

                                        Someone needs to email this to Foster, this is a well written article which makes total sense.

                                        Article lost credibility when it suggested that Pat T needed to come back into the side.

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                                        @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @number9 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/re-building-the-all-blacks-pack-to-reverse-the-last-result-against-ireland/

                                        If you want New Zealand’s best performing scrum, it is an all-Blues front row you need with Hodgman/Laulala, Eklund and Tuungafasi. They have the highest dominant scrum percentage of all the Kiwi teams at 31 per cent while conceding the fewest scrum penalties.

                                        At hooker, the option that would give the All Blacks the most punch in defence is Blues rake Kurt Eklund, which is a bold call as few are likely to give him a shot.

                                        He has made 112 tackles at a 93 percent completion rate, with just nine misses whilst generating eight turnovers, six of them at the breakdown from 22 ruck contests. He has only given away two penalties from those 22 ruck contests.

                                        On every defensive metric, Eklund has been better than incumbent Codie Taylor and adds turnover-generating potential.

                                        Someone needs to email this to Foster, this is a well written article which makes total sense.

                                        Article lost credibility when it suggested that Pat T needed to come back into the side.

                                        One of the most frustrating AB's ever, for me. Love what he's done with the Blues captaincy and their renaissance and while he's played a handful of good games in Black, he's just so inconsistent. I think Romano's probably a better bet.than Pat T

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                                        • TimT Tim

                                          https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                          Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

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                                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

                                          Will he actually do anything to justify selection? All indicators so no.

                                          I think he has to be given one more chance.
                                          One of the greatest ever players for the All Blacks and I am hoping last year was just a bad year.

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