All Blacks 2022
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:
He views Rieko as a wing playing centre, but has been very impressed by his growth in the last year.
Huh? Why the fuck hasn't he been starting him on the wing instead of, say, Bridge then.
Eek, does that mean he rates him as a wing below all our current wings.
@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:
Versatility might become increasingly important in the loose forwards.
All of the loose forwards he's selected are versatile. Probably the least versatile, in terms of playing time, is Cane and he'd probably make a decent 6. Maybe Sotutu as well who may be seen exclusively as an 8?
I'd say it was a combination of ALBs injuries and the focus being to 'build depth' throughout the last few years. That, and not rating the other options aside from ALB
Might mean they want Goodhue at 13. I’d spit based on form, but with this coaching/selection panel I wouldn’t be surprised.
@gt12 only positive about that is it would push fern Fave Bridge further away from 11...
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
Any one got cheats notes off interesting points? Foster puts me to sleep, slow drawl
The last few years were about "building depth", this year is about building combinations.
He wasn't particularly excited about Jordie playing at 12. He thought he was one of our best last year with his work under the highball etc. However, perhaps he is an option there.
He views Rieko as a wing playing centre, but has been very impressed by his growth in the last year.
Something like he wants to see RTS improving as a link for the rest of the backline, and wants to see more of his kicking game, but likes what he sees as a ball carrier.
Versatility might become increasingly important in the loose forwards.
@bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:
He wasn't particularly excited about Jordie playing at 12. He thought he was one of our best last year with his work under the highball etc. However, perhaps he is an option there.
He views Rieko as a wing playing centre, but has been very impressed by his growth in the last year.That is a shithouse take by a casual fan who's only watched a couple of clips on the news from 2-3 years ago right? Not the ABs coach watching these guys crush it in their positions this year?
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These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupaea.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Don’t mind that side, except for the starting loosehead
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Don’t mind that side, except for the starting loosehead
@ACT-Crusader nothing wrong with the starting LH, my issue is with the starting Hooker I would go with Taukeiaho.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Don’t mind that side, except for the starting loosehead
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These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupaea.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupa
Retallick is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING this season, not last. No WAY Codie Taylor should be starting ahead of Samisoni.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupa
Retallick is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING this season, not last. No WAY Codie Taylor should be starting ahead of Samisoni.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupa
Retallick is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING this season, not last. No WAY Codie Taylor should be starting ahead of Samisoni.
Ma'a Nonu is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING (insert season here).
The reality is the ABs is the team that pays the bills. For NZ Rugby, I'd be happier if we don't play the stars into the ground in Super, but let them peak for the international season. That said, I have more hope for Taylor than Retallick. I really really want BBBR back, but fear we're going to get SLIBR instead (Small, Low Impact Brodie Retallick)
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupa
Retallick is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING this season, not last. No WAY Codie Taylor should be starting ahead of Samisoni.
Ma'a Nonu is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING (insert season here).
The reality is the ABs is the team that pays the bills. For NZ Rugby, I'd be happier if we don't play the stars into the ground in Super, but let them peak for the international season. That said, I have more hope for Taylor than Retallick. I really really want BBBR back, but fear we're going to get SLIBR instead (Small, Low Impact Brodie Retallick)
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
These were their teams at the end:
Who makes your All Blacks 23 for the first test?
Liam Napier: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Codie Taylor, Aidan Ross, Fletcher Newell, Tupou Vaa'i, Ethan Blackadder, Folau Fakatava, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.
Elliott Smith: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Akira Ioane, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, George Bower, Fletcher Newell, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Jack Goodhue.Christopher Reive: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane, Dalton Papalii, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ofa Tuungafasi, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.
Reserves: Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ollie Norris, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Quinn Tupa
Retallick is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING this season, not last. No WAY Codie Taylor should be starting ahead of Samisoni.
Ma'a Nonu is being picked on reputation alone. He has done NOTHING (insert season here).
The reality is the ABs is the team that pays the bills. For NZ Rugby, I'd be happier if we don't play the stars into the ground in Super, but let them peak for the international season. That said, I have more hope for Taylor than Retallick. I really really want BBBR back, but fear we're going to get SLIBR instead (Small, Low Impact Brodie Retallick)
I would actually pick him, with the hope he comes right, but he must be on his last chance.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
Does it? I think Lord shows a lot of promise with the way he throws himself about with not much to back him up, hopefully he fills out!
Two or three of the debutantes this season also showing a high level of aggression.
The generation in between the only ones that play similar are just too short!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
Does it? I think Lord shows a lot of promise with the way he throws himself about with not much to back him up, hopefully he fills out!
Two or three of the debutantes this season also showing a high level of aggression.
The generation in between the only ones that play similar are just too short!
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
Does it? I think Lord shows a lot of promise with the way he throws himself about with not much to back him up, hopefully he fills out!
Two or three of the debutantes this season also showing a high level of aggression.
The generation in between the only ones that play similar are just too short!
I dunno, I'm a fan of Lords (I went to Kihikihi, every fucking good rugby player is either a Lord or a Hohepa), and I really love seeing Romano succeed, but there is something about the lack of development of our younger players that is really bugging me. I really want to see the AB15 (or whatever the fuck our second team is) out and playing. I feel like we let that go and we are paying for it now.
For example, in 2011, we won the world cup, but during the lead up to that tournament in 2009 we were running out the AB Junior team. This team from 2009 shows that some future long term ABs were getting their early chances at the level below - a few of those went on to the 2011 and 2015 squads (I think 6?). During the last few years I feel like if we'd been running out the AB15 for 5 matches a year we'd be developing that next level and not relying on the superstars to separate themselves from long-term greats - it's very hard to displace BBBR or Whitelock until it may be far too late.
Would Israel Dagg be ready to score his try against Oz in 2011 on that stage, without his experience of the Junior ABs in 2009 before the full squad in 2010? I dunno.
But, it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately (when I think about the ABs and where things might be going a bit haywire).
