All Blacks 2022
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@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
Halfback will be interesting and in some ways will be more about the selectors than the players.
One thing I think about Christie is that last November when we played Ireland he sat on the bench behind TJ and Fozzie didn't trust him to take the park. So has he now made sufficient strides in Fozzie's mind to push TJ out of the squad?
I think it will be Smith, then at least one of Weber or TJ (who will sit on the bench for the first test vs Ireland). Then maybe one of Christie or Fakatava - though, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fakatava "apprenticed".
If The Fern was selecting, the Mako are going to be fucking good this year!!!
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after the weekend i am now firmly of the following opinion
Hoskins Sotutu is the most effective loose forward in the country. Has the ability to punch through tackles. Has pace and vision in attack. Hard, effective and willing at the ruck. Good workrate. Whacks guys in defense.
His decision making has improved as well. In the lead up to the A Ioane try on the weekend, he made a break down the left, and looked like he was going to try a speccy 50/50 offload. Instead he held it, took the tackle and recycled. Absolutely the right option
And it pisses me off he won't even make the 23
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
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When all fit, Akira-Dalton-Hoskins with Ardie in the bench would be fucking dominant.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
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after the weekend i am now firmly of the following opinion
Hoskins Sotutu is the most effective loose forward in the country. Has the ability to punch through tackles. Has pace and vision in attack. Hard, effective and willing at the ruck. Good workrate. Whacks guys in defense.
His decision making has improved as well. In the lead up to the A Ioane try on the weekend, he made a break down the left, and looked like he was going to try a speccy 50/50 offload. Instead he held it, took the tackle and recycled. Absolutely the right option
And it pisses me off he won't even make the 23
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
Hmmmm - not sure about that.
It gets discussed, but Leicester has really only started a handful of first class games at centre.
I've got Leicester in a battle for the fourth wing spot - assuming they pick one - and I'm not sure he's quite AB ready there yet. Closer than he was last year.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
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@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
Christie is behind a dominant pack. (the reason often used to not pick certain Cantabs in the past)
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@Stargazer Sound like a English’s teacher. What’s wrong with you???
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Sound like a English’s teacher. What’s wrong with you???
do you mean geography teacher?
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Sound like a English’s teacher. What’s wrong with you???
do you mean geography teacher?
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@Kiwiwomble either. It’s all Nick picky.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble either. It’s all Nick picky.
....do you mean "nit-picking"
im so sorry...that was a sitter
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
There is the opportunity to select a few fringe AB midfieIders in the Māori team to see how they go.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble either. It’s all Nick picky.
....do you mean "nit-picking"
im so sorry...that was a sitter
@Kiwiwomble Lol. Just like a Womble
