All Blacks 2022
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Halves are easy imo.
9: smith, fakatava, Christie
10: Barrett, Mounga, perofeta@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
Halves are easy imo.
9: smith, fakatava, Christie
10: Barrett, Mounga, perofetaWeber will be there before Christie.
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Daltons injury is appendicitis. Any body know how long it take to recover from that?
Google says 2 to 3 weeks.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Daltons injury is appendicitis. Any body know how long it take to recover from that?
Google says 2 to 3 weeks.
That would really be pushing things for top rugby.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew yeah, cos Quinn has just oodles more experience and form, as does Jack...
Same reason we should pick Frizzel over Akira. And Ennor over Faingaanuku.
That's not my argument.
Plenty of examples of players new to Union looking like a million dollars after a few games, getting quickly exposed at Test level and getting their careers stuffed.
Heck, SBW was touted as the second coming in '10 but had to be subbed against Wales after 40 minutes - and that was after 40 or so games with Toulon under Tana.
I don’t think SBW was ever rated as the ‘answer’.
But there were a couple of leaguies who made the Wallabies side the season after they left league - Andrew Walker and Mat Rogers. And that was during a time when there was quality backs still playing in green and yellow
Whenever SBW didn’t play well for the ABs he was either “coming back from an injury” or “coming back from a spell in league”……those excuses got him heaps of game time that others might have been dropped for.
I bet Julian Savea wished he had that kind of marketing.
@MN5 that time is probably for the average Joe to get back to work. But we are dealing with an elite athlete who will heal quicker with higher pain tolerances and no chance of a wound dehiscing so he might be good 2 to 3. It’s not like his testicle is hanging out. He’ll have some abdominal swelling but with running, massage and ice/heat that should be good. He probably is already on a stationary bike.
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@MN5 that time is probably for the average Joe to get back to work. But we are dealing with an elite athlete who will heal quicker with higher pain tolerances and no chance of a wound dehiscing so he might be good 2 to 3. It’s not like his testicle is hanging out. He’ll have some abdominal swelling but with running, massage and ice/heat that should be good. He probably is already on a stationary bike.
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Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
He probably is already on a stationary bike
Works for the warriors
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV
I've said before i am down with that. At least we'll be fun to watch.
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@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
Halfback will be interesting and in some ways will be more about the selectors than the players.
One thing I think about Christie is that last November when we played Ireland he sat on the bench behind TJ and Fozzie didn't trust him to take the park. So has he now made sufficient strides in Fozzie's mind to push TJ out of the squad?
I think it will be Smith, then at least one of Weber or TJ (who will sit on the bench for the first test vs Ireland). Then maybe one of Christie or Fakatava - though, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fakatava "apprenticed".
If The Fern was selecting, the Mako are going to be fucking good this year!!!
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after the weekend i am now firmly of the following opinion
Hoskins Sotutu is the most effective loose forward in the country. Has the ability to punch through tackles. Has pace and vision in attack. Hard, effective and willing at the ruck. Good workrate. Whacks guys in defense.
His decision making has improved as well. In the lead up to the A Ioane try on the weekend, he made a break down the left, and looked like he was going to try a speccy 50/50 offload. Instead he held it, took the tackle and recycled. Absolutely the right option
And it pisses me off he won't even make the 23
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
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When all fit, Akira-Dalton-Hoskins with Ardie in the bench would be fucking dominant.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
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after the weekend i am now firmly of the following opinion
Hoskins Sotutu is the most effective loose forward in the country. Has the ability to punch through tackles. Has pace and vision in attack. Hard, effective and willing at the ruck. Good workrate. Whacks guys in defense.
His decision making has improved as well. In the lead up to the A Ioane try on the weekend, he made a break down the left, and looked like he was going to try a speccy 50/50 offload. Instead he held it, took the tackle and recycled. Absolutely the right option
And it pisses me off he won't even make the 23
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
Hmmmm - not sure about that.
It gets discussed, but Leicester has really only started a handful of first class games at centre.
I've got Leicester in a battle for the fourth wing spot - assuming they pick one - and I'm not sure he's quite AB ready there yet. Closer than he was last year.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
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@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
Christie is behind a dominant pack. (the reason often used to not pick certain Cantabs in the past)
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
