All Blacks 2022
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
Actually Razor selected him there first and still reckons he should be AB 12, Just don't tell the Razor fan club he thinks the same as Fozzie.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
Well if you did, (and really hope broughie just making shit up) I wouldn't expect you or anyone who does try and tell me they ABs supporters.
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?Only maybe Fakatava and Sowakula (ok maybe Mikaele-Tu'u)
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
i did?
@mariner4life nah I think it was more the fireworks you said you'd enjoy if Foster selected a backline that included Mounga, Havili, Goodhue and bridge.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
That was my point. :winking_face:
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
That's the big question - who is Fozzie going to trust?
I'd guess the Fern consensus (what there is of it) would probably pick Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS, Rieko and Sullivan.
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Even though Dave Havili hasn't been playing particularly well, I suspect he's at least in the frame, because he's been there, so Fozzie's got some trust.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
@KiwiMurph when is Cane due back?
With Dalts return not yet known, I think Jacobsons stocks rose as a 7.
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@taniwharugby Our midfield and injuries seem to go hand in hand since 2015. :disappointed_face:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby Our midfield and injuries seem to go hand in hand since 2015. :disappointed_face:
That, along with not developing depth at Test level.
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@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
6 loosies, maybe 7?
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
I agree I just think it ain't going to happen. Cos Foster is as conservative as fuck, with almost no new ideas, and picked as a continuity coach who has carried on the hard as fuck to get in, but even harder to get ditched selection process
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
Hope so. I think they might do the same for another bolter. Poss. Moorby?
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
