All Blacks 2022
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
That was my point. :winking_face:
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
That's the big question - who is Fozzie going to trust?
I'd guess the Fern consensus (what there is of it) would probably pick Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS, Rieko and Sullivan.
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Even though Dave Havili hasn't been playing particularly well, I suspect he's at least in the frame, because he's been there, so Fozzie's got some trust.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Which is why I think Goodhue is a certainty in the 23.
@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@Victor-Meldrew although it seems he's been about for years, Goodhue has only played 19 tests...would be much more if not for his injuries.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
@KiwiMurph when is Cane due back?
With Dalts return not yet known, I think Jacobsons stocks rose as a 7.
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@taniwharugby Our midfield and injuries seem to go hand in hand since 2015. :disappointed_face:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby Our midfield and injuries seem to go hand in hand since 2015. :disappointed_face:
That, along with not developing depth at Test level.
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@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
6 loosies, maybe 7?
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph Yeah there is the problem that you need to take two out for every one you put in, as the squad is going to be much smaller this year
Well there's versatility there - Perofeta covers 10/15, Leicester covers 13/wing and MMT covers 6/8.
I agree I just think it ain't going to happen. Cos Foster is as conservative as fuck, with almost no new ideas, and picked as a continuity coach who has carried on the hard as fuck to get in, but even harder to get ditched selection process
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u
Perofeta
Fainganu'uku
FakatavaThese would be mine. I'd give Sullivan the Maori AB 13 jersey and unleash him in the 2 midweek games vs Ireland.
Vice who, in a smaller squad? Not saying I disagree, but there are some log jams, esp loose forward.
Fakatava for TJ and?
EDIT: Oh Perofeta vice DMac
MMT for Frizell/Jacobson (depending on how many loosies you have and Jacobson would be good cover for Blackadder and/or Dalton). Leicester for Ennor, Fakatava for TJ and Perofeta for DMac.
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
Hope so. I think they might do the same for another bolter. Poss. Moorby?
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Uncapped players who could be selected for the squad :
Mikaele-Tu'u ?
Sowakula ?
Thomas Umaga-Jensen ?
Perofeta ?
Moorby ?
B. Sullivan ?
Fainganu'uku ?
Fakatava ?@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd probably include RTS somehow as a non-playing extra or apprentice or something - I think time in the AB environment will only enhance his development which has already come a long way in 10 games or so.
Hope so. I think they might do the same for another bolter. Poss. Moorby?
@Victor-Meldrew as long as they don't take him for the NPC
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Debate has raged long and hard in New Zealand about the suitably of Rieko Ioane for centre, versus his undoubted appeal as a winger.
Let the record state that Ioane threw the last pass for three of the Blues’ tries, each of them a mini-masterpiece in his ability to recognise where the space was and pass before taking contact.
Simple perhaps, but only made to look simple by Ioane’s pace and soft touch. Coming on the same weekend when Jack Goodhue found himself out of position against Jordan Petaia and unable to make up lost ground, Ioane looks certain to start against Ireland with 13 on his back.
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I expect 2 new props and one new back minimum. Maybe two or three others through injuries. For me, Newell, Ross and either Fainga'anuku, RTS or B Sullivan. Maybe the chance for a bolter in the loosies and Perofeta/Moorby in DMac spot. Maybe Fakatava, but he is 4th in my view. Not sold on Sowakula and would start Finau over him for semis. I like Tom Robinson, but Vaii has surpassed him. So, maybe Frizell gets another chance... I think we to trial a bruising enforcer at 6 or 8, with Akira more of a wide spaces specialist.
Still think Jordie is the best bet for 12.
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I think there will be two new players: Fakatava and Perofeta with Hodgman coming back into the squad
Maybe RTS as a training member.
That's not what I think should be, but what I expect, including the return of Laulala, Frizell, Goodhue, Havili, and possibly even Bridge (I think he'll get pushed out by Clarke).
