All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
He played every Blues match in 2019 in a year where he admitted he was struggling mentally.
And "maybe 2018" - the Blues decided he was their best player that year and you're willing to concede maybe.
You're really not doing anything to convince that you don't have Akira blinkers especially when you continually push Frizell's case when there's no argument against him being a flop so far at test level.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
He played every Blues match in 2019 in a year where he admitted he was struggling mentally.
And "maybe 2018" - the Blues decided he was their best player that year and you're willing to concede maybe.
You're really not doing anything to convince that you don't have Akira blinkers especially when you continually push Frizell's case when there's no argument against him being a flop so far at test level.
Akira made a real big improvement last year after Foster showed some confidence in him. He faded a bit as the year went on, but he wasn't the only one.
I think he needs to kick-on again this year and really nail down the 6 slot. That would be bloody great.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
just to be clear; anyone who thinks the All Blacks are better served by Rieko Ioane on the wing rather than centre is a fucking moron
absolutely all of this. Reiko at 13 is already our most dangerous weapon
Fuck could you imagine him playing 13 outside Nonu?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fuck could you imagine him playing 13 outside Nonu?
He'd almost be as good as Conrad? :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
Because he's probably the best wing in NZ (if he was playing wing and George Bridge is injured). If ALB wasn't injured I'd prefer him on the wing.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie, Jordan and Reece
No power-wing, no thanks.
I’d still prefer Ioane on the wing but it looks as if centre is his gig.
Why on earth would you want the best centre in New Zealand to play on the wing?
Because he's probably the best wing in NZ (if he was playing wing and George Bridge is injured). If ALB wasn't injured I'd prefer him on the wing.
Maybe. But Reiko is the best option at 13, plays his rugby there and Foster has invested in his transition to that position at Test level quite well.
I think he's as nailed-on there as any other player in the team
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
I suspect Foster will go with Goodhue for that reason as long as he does UK in the SRP games.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
His distribution is a work on.
Like all of it though? What's he lacking in that area? A stat often thrown out about him is him having the last pass before a try is scored, so he must be distributing pretty damn well in some capacity? Or he's hungus but lazy
Christ - you're going to draw me into "Ioane Wars".
In a way, all of it is a work on. I don't think he's a world class distributor - probably runs too far too often. Not the most accurate passer.
For those backing ALB, I think this is where his edge lies.
Not having a go! I just don't see what you see in that regard. Both his short and long passing game seem pretty accurate to me, so yeah just wondering what I'm not seeing.
Tend to agree. He's improved at Super level and there's no reason he can't demonstrate that at Test level. He's not new to 13 at Test level as Foster has given him experience there and Reiko's confidence (which was shot in 2019) is back big-time.
It won't be after a test season outside the evergreen Tupaea
I suspect Foster will go with Goodhue for that reason as long as he does UK in the SRP games.
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Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
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Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
Actually SBW had already had a couple of seasons in France before playing NPC, there really no comparison between the 2 of them transitting.
I do go along with RTS will be in squad , and I won't be surprised if he gets a start, though, there could be a temptation to actually start him in Maori game (if he eligible) to see how he goes. -
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
Actually SBW had already had a couple of seasons in France before playing NPC, there really no comparison between the 2 of them transitting.
I do go along with RTS will be in squad , and I won't be surprised if he gets a start, though, there could be a temptation to actually start him in Maori game (if he eligible) to see how he goes.@Dan54 I think they are too risk adverse to start TVS. They will probably go with those who have started before including Tupea and Goodhue.
With TVS he was knock out of the game against the chiefs because PGS was running down his throat. Still not convince with his size at second five although most of choices are shaded by Nonu or SBW size.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
Actually SBW had already had a couple of seasons in France before playing NPC, there really no comparison between the 2 of them transitting.
I do go along with RTS will be in squad , and I won't be surprised if he gets a start, though, there could be a temptation to actually start him in Maori game (if he eligible) to see how he goes. -
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either? Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
wouldn't be against Jordie wearing 12 in the first test, Will at fb
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
There will be games where he has to play fullback as we aren’t deep there and injury/unavailability etc will mean he is the best option. We need some consistency in the midfield and having him come in and out at 12 game by game won’t achieve that.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
This logic really makes zero sense to me. It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there. Because he's played loads of other games in a different position and looked good.
Let's throw Jordie on the wing, Jordan isn't ready and we might destroy his career.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
Not to mention people with no link to the Mako doing the "Fins up"!
Begging for us to buy them!!!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
Not to mention people with no link to the Mako doing the "Fins up"!
Begging for us to buy them!!!
did he do a shark fin?
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For those of you up north.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-in-northland-for-matariki-2022/
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph the depends on the role you see for the 23 jersey. If it's purely having a back up if someone goes down, thrn yeah I guess.
But if it's actually for impact late, then no.
If the back 3 is Jordie, Jordan and Reece, I’d give the 23 jersey to someone like Caleb Clarke or a bolter like Fainganuku or RTS.
If all of Beaudie, Mo’unga and Jordie are in the 23 then you don’t need a guy like Havili
Generally agree, but there is a logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option. Def. be good to have a bolter or two in the later ones.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option
logic? how? i don't get this. how is a player proven to be not to standard considered a safe choice just because he has pulled on a jersey before?
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
wouldn't be against Jordie wearing 12 in the first test, Will at fb
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
There will be games where he has to play fullback as we aren’t deep there and injury/unavailability etc will mean he is the best option. We need some consistency in the midfield and having him come in and out at 12 game by game won’t achieve that.
We also need to see RTS at this level so in one game he will need to start as he isn’t a bench option.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
we all say stuff like this a lot
but
what i don't like about this move is, you are making 2 changes with one sub. You break the rhythm of the midfield and the back 3 at the same time.
