All Blacks 2022
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@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests.
FascisticFantastic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Edit: correct fascistic to fantastic...
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What are the chances of players like Telea or Lam ? I am convinced the latter is of international calibre.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
What are the chances of players like Telea or Lam ? I am convinced the latter is of international calibre.
Telea could be a safe option as a good, solid, reliable winger (think Bridge but without the fuck-ups). Lam would be a bolter.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests.
FascisticFantastic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Edit: correct fascistic to fantastic...
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.
I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?
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@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.
I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.
I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?
He just doesn't get aroudn the paddock, moves reasonably slowly. I think it's fine at Super, but can see his mobility issues being brutally exposed at the top level.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.
I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?
He just doesn't get aroudn the paddock, moves reasonably slowly. I think it's fine at Super, but can see his mobility issues being brutally exposed at the top level.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.
I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.
I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.
I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad
Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?
He just doesn't get aroudn the paddock, moves reasonably slowly. I think it's fine at Super, but can see his mobility issues being brutally exposed at the top level.
Is Whitelock any more mobile?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
That won’t be far off at all.
I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.
I don't know if Lester confirmed any doubts in the semi but he was fairly anonymous. I don't see him as any more than midfield cover or an attacking wing. He seems to be a bit of a flat track bully. Shines when the opposition suits him but does little otherwise.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):
Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)
Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)
No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
Pretty close I think.
I'd like to see MMT in the squad, rather than Frizzell - even if it's so they coaches can have a look at him. Not too sure about LF (who I think is a wing anyway). I have a sneaking suspicion they may go with someone like Mark Telea or Lam or they might go with Havili on experience in midfield.
All in all, I think that's a pretty good squad with a mix of experience and coming players.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
Could be. The cupboard is really bare, so they might just roll the dice and pick a newbie for 13.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
11pm UK time. At my age, I'm not that dedicated...
17 minutes...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth yeah I think Goodhue has shown he has lost another yard of pace so isnt really a viable option at 13 any longer against top flight opposition, so can only be considered a 12, and is he the best, or even 2nd best 12 in NZ?
But I am a big fan of Sullivan though, seems to ooze class.
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It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
So options are Sullian, Fainga’anuku, Ennor?
Does the scenario you explain stay the same when ALB returns or do we play different styles depending on selection/ availability/ opposition -
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)
My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.
Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane
I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)
I think I'd prefer Sullivan but Ennor also has pretty good pace and would be closer to a Rieko like for like to the selectors eyes (I think). I can't see Sullivan getting a go - I expect him at 13 for the Maori, which is still a huge leap from where he was last year.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman TJP is who I am thinking of getting the Māori lifeline. This could apply to Weber as well, as it makes sense to have one of them starting against the Irish rather than getting limited minutes off the bench, or not even being in the 23 for the ABs.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out
That would make final juicy.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.
So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).
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